August 30, 2026
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
my final thoughts on this matter
I've been made aware pauze has been having a few hiccups for the past while. For a man my age to act like this still after those hiccups is unfortunate to see, especially since I ''answer'' to them and were I to have issues regarding mod stuff, hes to be a maintenance member to resolve it. A collage of excuses is what we got when we confronted you with the CS stuff that happened recently. Evidently it was already being resolved, it was already stopping, it was all jokes & banter & trash talk. Nothing mattered. Needless to say, pauze decides that he will stay despite breaking rule numero 1 that he himself has posted in the # unknown-channel channel. I feel like this taints the picture of you, pauze. I don't like people that say ''you fuck kids'' (main acc) and call it trash talk. Whatever happens, I do not trust you as a maintenance member because you have a bias towards yourself. This is a ''he said she said'' argument, but I truly mean this; If this was another moderator, they would have been demoted. For you to say that this is ''warning-worthy'' behavior is a lie that I personally deduce is so, based on what people have been demoted for in the past. It's mostly since you've had a fair share of 'dramas' over many years that it's impossible for me to take ANY your words at face value. Actions speak louder than words, pauze. And your actions are to say to people online that they ''either fuck nobody or fuck kids'' (alt) and the other racist stuff and then go ''its fine, I will stay a maintenance member, its not that bad because I didnt mean it.'' Whether this was you or someone else controlling your alt account is not something I will take into consideration. Think twice before making an alt account that you as a GD moderator share with people that are OK with saying these things. just as bad. maybe worse? and it's also dancing around the implications of rule 2. You did mention you forwarded this issue to maintenance (you and 3 others) + rob and a decision will be made. Tells me enough. That you think it's OK to joke about these things in the messages because it wasnt serious anyways, since if you truly did think what you did was awful, you'd at least recognize a majority of the active modchat people here don't trust you as a maintenance member / fellow moderator and would prefer to see you gone. (edited)
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wulzy
wulzy
as a heads up i'm probably out of commission for a good bit to focus on my week ahead since i got a lot going on, if theres any qualms my dms are open but cant promise i can follow a giant text chain here from now
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
okay in that case i'm resending what i said earlier just so it's the most recent message cuz i feel very strongly about this and don't want this buried
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Forwarded
I'm not really sure what more there is to discuss with Pauze. I think I've been super clear that I think that there's no more chances. Pauze has been having behavior problems, the most recent I can recall is the one I mentioned top of this year, and these chat logs go back to March and he's doing it, again. I already feel extremely uncomfortable with the content of his jokes, I don't think racist jokes are okay ever. But added on to the fact that he was acting this way in private, with his name linking GDS so it's abundantly clear who he is, for anyone to just screenshot. The fact we got the chat logs just exposed that after what he did on twitter, all the damage he caused, he's just on CS making racist jokes. I'm done with watching double standards, I think the only right way forward is for him to resign.
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
nothing more to say on that topic
you're good
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wulzy
polarbeahr but you did clarify you understood that
wulzy
ye i see sorry for the premature response before i got to the bottom line
wulzy
wulzy
i think ive been pretty open on that
i think there is a healthy way to take on criticism though yes, undeniably there is stuff that can inevitably affect you, im often still glued to my phone when drama is happening for example, but i promise i never meant to bank on my methods being better than others and i didnt mean to invalidate anyone that does get hurt by it
yeah, i admitted it was pretty naive and a generalized stance to have but in my 8 years of discord friendships ive always found that if i broke off with people it was just not meant to be and as humans we arent engineered to upkeep all of our friendships that are unhealthily tugging and prying into uncomfortable territories and judgements
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
but you did clarify you understood that
on some level I agree - we should be able to pinpoint what crticism is fair and reasonable and diffrentiate what we take seriously and not, but it can still suck on a personal level
and expressing how you yourself didnt truly get a lot of criticism from people, which is understandable. As I said, i dont have people going crazy about me. but eventually it felt like you were banking on that perspective that everyone else should disregard critcism if its not towards them personally
i'll admit it rubbed me the wrong way initially when I felt like you downplayed the critcism people here get, eg saying ''its probably for the best in the long run'' when a mod expressed they have issues with friendships due to the friends thinking they were complacent
wulzy
wulzy
i'll try to more openly communicate my logic chains and be more friendly whenever i do that in future, i think some people often feel like im trying to chew them out
wulzy
polarbeahr I just think its weird how this discussion is moved away from the topic at hand. I've seen a few of ...
wulzy
thats just what i do, sorry if it derailed what people were saying. i thought it was an important question to ask as ive never actually been aware that mod dramas were running so deeply personal for a lot of people and it helped solidify my understanding of the people wanting pauze to resign. so it was slightly relevant but yeah my apologies if that gave u a bad impression
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
i agree w i feel like its bound to go in circles
idk what more there is to say
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
yeah i've been waiting for this to wrap up and i was gonna resend what i said so it's not buried
polarbeahr
wulzy confused, are u just helping clarify what i was saying or are u accusing me of trying to distract fr...
polarbeahr
I just think its weird how this discussion is moved away from the topic at hand. I've seen a few of the devils advocate arguments from you that were brought up on a topic where every mod I saw was saying the same thing
wulzy
sakura.eve also think we got a lot more free thinker mods cuz of apps whereas before everyone was kinda on the ...
wulzy
i remember the og waves before the form were all about trying to select people in different parts / languages of the community
wulzy
wulzy
the wording is throwing me off sorry if im misreading
wulzy
polarbeahr So in light of this discussion regarding our grievance with pauze, you decided to focus the conversa...
wulzy
confused, are u just helping clarify what i was saying or are u accusing me of trying to distract from the other discussion
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
fair enough. I personally like present my own opinion
wulzy
wulzy
but i do care to hear all sides and thats why ive played devils advocate in almost every discussion
ive been a dick in modchat for years i wont lie
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
also think we got a lot more free thinker mods cuz of apps whereas before everyone was kinda on the same page, echo chamber ah, we got a lot more people from different walks of life nowadays
ravingrafters
ravingrafters
I wanna be clear, I'm not upset at you or what you had to say. It's a valid and reasonable question, and you've always been more than willing to hear the other perspectives on it. Besides, you've always seemed plenty chill, it'd take more than that for me to be upset with you in general.
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wulzy
wulzy
my concern was that people are getting seriously hurt over being mod
i think its important to unite the best we can to protect eachothers wellbeing
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
it used to be friendlier cuz lowkey people were scared of viprin
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
So in light of this discussion regarding our grievance with pauze, you decided to focus the conversation instead on the ''division'' there is in modchat in general (edited)
spycold
spycold
i basically agree with everyones common sentiment here. and yeah like wulzy said (to my knowledge) i dont let it affect my mental health. like sure its annoying that i hear my friends and random people on twitter being like "mod team needs to go nothing is gonna happen ever!" but i dont let that get to me to the point of affecting my mental health cuz at the end of the day the people im closest with know how i actually feel about stuff like this (edited)
wulzy
wulzy
it used to be a lot more friendly in here
i meant divided over an extended period of time, theres a lot of bs that has driven personal relationships in modchat down a steep hill
thats why i wanted to hear from you all
1kreno
1kreno
this is the most united ive seen mod chat like ever
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
if by 'right now' you mean this discussion
wulzy
wulzy
and thats okay, its just a dynamic to be aware of
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
I'm certain many people here are on the same line
wulzy
wulzy
many people have deep feelings about many issues about the last couple of years and many of us dont see eye to eye on a lot of things
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
divided?
wulzy
relicsong But that still doesn't change my opinion on Pauze resigning
wulzy
was never the goal 🫡 just wanted to make a better effort to communicate with yall because i do care about the team a lot and it breaks my heart that its so divided right now
devilmine
wulzy i hope that clears it up, sorry for the big ramble, i promise everything i touched on was sheer shoc...
devilmine
You were already fine to me, you just wanted to bring your own perspective in and weren't aware of the extend while steering the conversation to a more open minded direction. You are good king 🙏
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orots
orots
i do appreciate the sentiment that wulzy shared here that mod dramas that arent directly tied to you shouldnt affect someone *as personally*, just separating yourself and your mental profile for the game to some degree (edited)
relicsong
relicsong
But that still doesn't change my opinion on Pauze resigning
Appreciate it
relicsong
wulzy i hope that clears it up, sorry for the big ramble, i promise everything i touched on was sheer shoc...
relicsong
I can't be upset at you because you actually take time to hear other POVs out and connect with them
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orots
orots
no matter how you spin it a role that can directly push levels for the developer of the game to rate will always have some amount of influence behind it, what you make of that influence and whether you say your piece on certain topics or not is entirely individual, still inedvertantly reflective of the team
gecko4
sleygd If there are no repercussions it's fair to say a sizeable amount of the mod team is going to lose a ...
gecko4
i really never liked the idea of resigning in protest as it feels like we should have more of a voice by staying here rather than letting our absence speak for us but if it is shown once more that nobodies voices actually matter then i don't see much else in terms of any solutions
wulzy
wulzy
all love 2026
wanna make sure i havent rubbed anyone the wrong way
i hope that clears it up, sorry for the big ramble, i promise everything i touched on was sheer shock and concern that mod is really affecting peoples mental state and i understand where you're coming from today now. we all good ? @tri@AgSilver@RavingRafters@gecko@Devilmine@spark@arcanin@sink just to tag anyone that i may have upset with my initial questions
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gormuck
polarbeahr the perspective of ''we are mods, we just send levels'' is a fine perspective to have but keep the p...
gormuck
very true
gormuck
wulzy also while im at it <@285395627754520576> <@313429257625927681> my apologies at my incredulous respo...
gormuck
np 💖
wulzy
polarbeahr I don't use twitter, am not too active in discord servers, and ingame hate messages are directed to ...
wulzy
agree. thats not what im trying to say either. i just am trying to offer a little perspective on the sheer difference in mod experience ive had since many many people didnt like that i was surprised at the extent yall were affected by mod drama and how personally it is taken, never ever ever trying to say anyone is invalid for that
sleygd
sleygd
If there are no repercussions it's fair to say a sizeable amount of the mod team is going to lose a lot of trust in the decision making here, and I feel like we will lose a fair few as a result
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polarbeahr
polarbeahr
the perspective of ''we are mods, we just send levels'' is a fine perspective to have but keep the perspective to yourself! I enjoy sharing my mind and if any small shred of my influence helps to improve this game then I call that a win. Some mods here are so so so much more dedicated to improving the state of the game, despite the setbacks
devilmine
devilmine
I appreciate that a lot that ur owing up to that
gecko4
gecko4
thank you
wulzy
wulzy
also while im at it @gecko @Gormuck my apologies at my incredulous response to the mythic vote on princess demon, that was uncalled for and really hurtful of me to say
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polarbeahr
polarbeahr
I don't use twitter, am not too active in discord servers, and ingame hate messages are directed to my levels. I'm a very closed off person. I don't receive hate personally. But seeing people in this team that I respect get in iffy situations, like moral disagreements, or people that enjoy using Twitter that get targetted, or anything else for that matter that affects a team member... that makes me feel bad. I don't like it when dedicated, enthousiastic volunteers get unreasonable negativity. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that, just because im personally not afflicted, that nobody else is / should be (edited)
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wulzy
wulzy
we are in # unknown-channel
liathecat
wulzy i think these people arent really worth the energy expense, i get theyre meaningful people to you an...
liathecat
its not necessarily those who are very meaningful people, it was those who i wasnt familiar with and making new connections became significantly more difficult
wulzy
geometry_dash insisting thats the solution is (imo) a bit silly
wulzy
im not, im just talking. not to chew out but i think a few times what ive tried to say just to offer perspective has been generalized as if im acting its the only solution
dreameatergd
dreameatergd
genuinely paired me up with grax in that message
dreameatergd
wulzy were u personally affected by viprins drama ? genuinely asking
dreameatergd
it went to a point where i namesearched myself in the GDS and saw someone saying I was exposed for being a pedophile. nothing of the sorts ever happened and my name was never even mentioned but this person just decided to namedrop me like that
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wulzy
liathecat while his behaviour didnt directly affect me or involve me, it slowly began to tank my mood because ...
wulzy
i think these people arent really worth the energy expense, i get theyre meaningful people to you and this is very naive and generalized for me to say, but ye i think i said this earlier but this is lowk for the best if theyre gonna let things get in the way
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
we do have numbers at least
i just highly suggest bringing stuff up to other maintenance if youre just reading and have an issue
gormuck
gormuck
yeah ofc
wulzy
wulzy
obviously not what ur saying but maybe someone needed to hear that
wulzy
gormuck I'm not sure if I understood everything you said wulzy but i'm kinda with you on that one, I actuall...
wulzy
trying my best but its hard to explain how i feel haha. but ye that last part of ur message doesnt mean that no one else has or should feel bad about seeing it and feeling bad
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
on the outside it looks like we're just letting all of this happen
they dont know how it works in here
idk i find it somewhat reasonable for a non mod to be iffy on someone who's a mod
wulzy
ravingrafters I've lost a good few friends based *on* my usual approach of not engaging or talking with any of it,...
wulzy
thats some bs im sorry to hear that. i do think though that it was probably for the best in the long run ? stings at the time but there is no use having friends that are just gonna jump ship because you like being a gd mod. it sucks that being a gd mod in 2026 (not a jab but using someone elses words here, primarily being known as a mod at the forefront) is political. that genuinely sucks
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
im not a red button individual
i care about everyone who said they were hurt by these situations
arcanin
arcanin
a lot of us don't have the same thing going on
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
and the people in it
but i do care a bit about how the send system works even if all i do is send levels
arcanin
arcanin
also wulzy the public also considers you as a youtuber/public figure first than a moderator
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
im glad it worked for u
insisting thats the solution is (imo) a bit silly
geometry_dash
wulzy i see. that makes sense. sorry for not replying to all but i think this answers a few of the other m...
geometry_dash
with all due respect wulzy you hid from the public community and retired, yes you didnt get targeted
wulzy
kirichux3 I will say I think in a case of someone like you, with their own already established community and h...
wulzy
i see. that makes sense. sorry for not replying to all but i think this answers a few of the other messages ive seen too. all i really ever did was cultivate positivity the best i could, i genuinely never spoke down on the game or anyone other than ghs publically and maybe a few slights at kawaqii. by removing myself from all moral debates publically i think i did myself this favor
arcanin
polarbeahr its basically ''isnt ur team lead by pedos / racists'' a majority of the time people connect me to t...
arcanin
proving their point
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
we do frequently have this problem
geometry_dash
polarbeahr its basically ''isnt ur team lead by pedos / racists'' a majority of the time people connect me to t...
geometry_dash
i mean like
gormuck
gormuck
bruh
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
just for some outside perspective
its basically ''isnt ur team lead by pedos / racists'' a majority of the time people connect me to the game
gormuck
gormuck
😭
LOL
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
😭 😭 😭
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
the GD moderator reputation is bad in tf2
I'll be for real
y'all
liathecat
wulzy were u personally affected by viprins drama ? genuinely asking
liathecat
while his behaviour didnt directly affect me or involve me, it slowly began to tank my mood because of the people around me judging me or distancing from me because they would view me as part of the problem, and knowing i couldnt do anything to resolve it aside from giving up a position that genuinely means a lot to me, that is what affected me. i wasnt affected directly but i was affected indirectly
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wulzy
wulzy
sorry still reading thru
wulzy
relicsong Sorry if I've sounded aggressive towards u btw wulzy I still love ya bro
wulzy
preciate it, same goes
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
I'm not really sure what more there is to discuss with Pauze. I think I've been super clear that I think that there's no more chances. Pauze has been having behavior problems, the most recent I can recall is the one I mentioned top of this year, and these chat logs go back to March and he's doing it, again. I already feel extremely uncomfortable with the content of his jokes, I don't think racist jokes are okay ever. But added on to the fact that he was acting this way in private, with his name linking GDS so it's abundantly clear who he is, for anyone to just screenshot. The fact we got the chat logs just exposed that after what he did on twitter, all the damage he caused, he's just on CS making racist jokes. I'm done with watching double standards, I think the only right way forward is for him to resign.
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arcanin
arcanin
purely done out of selfish reasons
i don't want to be associated with the bullshit that will ensue because the guy doesn't even realize how this will affect everyone on the mod team, not just him
wulzy
wulzy
i have had a thing for a while since i retired that no matter how bad a fellow gd youtubers situation is with drama i check in every single time and i am always surprised at how much this stuff is tied to their soul, idk what it is but with wulzy i never really let much of what anyone ever said actually reach me. it reached wulzy and i, as will, was always able to choose how it got to me. i guess i have that same outlook on modchat. i have never felt personally critiqued, or felt like i was personally affected by most of mod drama. it's mod drama. i am a mod and i send levels to rob, and im in the chat, but functionally i am not to blame for the way things are nor can i change it. so it's not directed at me? idk ? but i also rarely took public stances and let my general positivity for the game steer me through rocky waters
gormuck
gormuck
I'm not sure if I understood everything you said wulzy but i'm kinda with you on that one, I actually never seen anyone hate the mod team ever 😭
relicsong
relicsong
Perhaps you got lucky in that sense maybe
1kreno
1kreno
shouldnt be up to rob, should just take action
relicsong
wulzy no, but i think my sentiment was more directed to emotionally trying to detach from the whole modcha...
relicsong
I get that and I really appreciate the sentiment, but sadly it's not as simple yeah
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
i dont know if theres more to be discussed though
ravingrafters
ravingrafters
Trying to figure out the best way to say what I want to say. I've been trying to stay as amicable about things as possible for a long time, and tbh, it's been piling frustrations that Im not expressing.
geometry_dash
arcanin just the fact that pauze isn't even willing to step down from maintenance on his own says a lot to m...
geometry_dash
i was thinking the same thing
arcanin
arcanin
just the fact that pauze isn't even willing to step down from maintenance on his own says a lot to me (edited)
sleygd
sleygd
I don't want to be a part of a team with double standards that bad
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agsilver.
agsilver.
i cannot deal with another viprin situation i stg
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
im expecting a warning
devilmine
devilmine
and i dont want to get even more flack
geometry_dash
arcanin hmm i sure wonder who's on the maintenance team
geometry_dash
😭
devilmine
devilmine
A viprin repeat is not what I want
sleygd
sleygd
Right with you ngl
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
itll be another viprin
arcanin
geometry_dash id say if anyone has issues dm maintenance idk thats all we can do
arcanin
hmm i sure wonder who's on the maintenance team
geometry_dash
devilmine Id probably resign if nothing happens in that regard
geometry_dash
ye im close to feeling that
devilmine
devilmine
I dont want to be under the same circumstances that are preventable
Id probably resign if nothing happens in that regard
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
id say if anyone has issues dm maintenance idk thats all we can do
sleygd
sleygd
And directly linked back to gds
Under your main account
wulzy
relicsong I just want to ask because I am curious. After all the shit we have gone through, do you genuinely t...
wulzy
no, but i think my sentiment was more directed to emotionally trying to detach from the whole modchat agenda that people have to protect yourselves. you are all volunteers to try and make the game better, by choice, and i was actually quite taken aback to see so many people invested in these issues to the point where theyre getting hurt, i wish i could have seen more of what was happening on the inside for so many of yall to be emotionally supportive and try help deflect a lot of what you were dealing with. i wish i could somehow gift my feelings around mod community perception to yall to help remove the suffering that is going on
gecko4
sleygd Is it a stretch to say there just isn't any justifiable excuse to act like this?
gecko4
the messages wouldn't be excused if they were discord chats and i don't think them being in a cs chat makes them any better personally
sleygd
sleygd
You still said those things
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
i dont think theres much more we can say
tricipital
tricipital
we're so fucked if nothing happens
sleygd
sleygd
It being the culture in Cs or it being to "get in the enemy's head" is absolute horseshit justification
tricipital
tricipital
something has to change here
sleygd
sleygd
Because I fully believe that
Is it a stretch to say there just isn't any justifiable excuse to act like this?
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polarbeahr
polarbeahr
I dont really like how a majority expresses issues with pauze and we're just talking to wulzy instead of pauze
gecko4
gecko4
in this case i'd say it's more applicable
in viprin's case while technically true we also had very very little power
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
ill do whatever i can to keep pushing for whats right but in the end i cant see rob siding w us
i feel like we are complicit doe
gecko4
kirichux3 I will say I think in a case of someone like you, with their own already established community and h...
gecko4
^ this too, most of us are known primarily for being mods, whereas some people like you are sometimes even forgotten to be mods at all
ravingrafters
ravingrafters
I've lost a good few friends based on my usual approach of not engaging or talking with any of it, which is often mistaken as complacence, when often it is quiet frustration. I've also received my fair share of shit for simply being on this team.
arcanin
arcanin
they also take silence as being complicit
relicsong
relicsong
😭
kirichux3
wulzy i could be wrong, feel free to jump in wherever you disagree, i think by never interacting with this...
kirichux3
I will say I think in a case of someone like you, with their own already established community and history, its different. like nobody is gonna shit on EVW for being a mod simply because EVW is EVW. in the same way that you are Wulzy. hard to explain so mb but idk how i would form the idea im getting across in a proper example lol
relicsong
relicsong
i said nothing
in my case
relicsong
wulzy i could be wrong, feel free to jump in wherever you disagree, i think by never interacting with this...
relicsong
purely attacked cus of the badge
wulzy
tricipital wulzy i appreciate you making this discussion feel less like an echo chamber because most of us are ...
wulzy
this is all i do in modchat, even if i don't fully agree with what i'm saying, to pop any air bubbles, and yall may have caught on by now but i've been very very tired of one sided and meaningless / directionless conversations that repeat the same thing over and over. thanks for the patience whenever i've deliberately taken a different stance over these years but i found it to be very effective at actually communicating and exposing gaps
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gecko4
gecko4
i didn't have to say anything
gecko4
wulzy i could be wrong, feel free to jump in wherever you disagree, i think by never interacting with this...
gecko4
existing in any space caused people to target mod team hate towards me specifically
sakura.eve
gecko4 like jan/feb
sakura.eve
6 months ago is march, so like not even 2 months later there is proof of pauze making racist jokes after that, that doesn't show change, that doesn't show learning, from my perspective that shows he doesn't care about his reputation, and by extension ours and RobTops. I think it's super clear that he should resign, he was given a chance to be more mindful of his reputation and continued to act like this in CS.
ravingrafters
geometry_dash i feel like if pauze stays its the same cycle as it was with vip
ravingrafters
I'm inclined to agree.
wulzy
wulzy
i could be wrong, feel free to jump in wherever you disagree, i think by never interacting with this publicly i completely ducked off from the hate trains. did these things happen because of things you posted, or did they target innocent people that never even had any stance on it publicly too ? maybe i had a different experience because i kept my mod activity strictly to moderated request streams and didnt personally allow many people i didnt trust to privately communicate with me
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
if ur at the top, you dont face consequences
tricipital
gecko4 stellar posted it to twitter and it looked awful
tricipital
the pauze situation from january is kind of a nothingburger tho, bro got slightly aggressive towards someone complicit in hacking and stealing the identity of a fellow moderator. i would be upset at them too. obviously not the right words but it genuinely is super understandable
geometry_dash
ravingrafters I get where you're coming from, but from my point of view, hasn't worked before and won't work now. ...
geometry_dash
i feel like if pauze stays its the same cycle as it was with vip
ravingrafters
ravingrafters
I get where you're coming from, but from my point of view, hasn't worked before and won't work now. And it sabotages any notion of "things will be different with viprin gone" that was supposed to be a thing according to statements made here in modchat. Its going in circles again and at some point, the cycle needs to be broken if there's going to be any sort of progress. And honestly, Im tired of the feeling of everything just going in circles and happening again, and again, and again.
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
that got deleted tho i think
there was another issue later too
gecko4
gecko4
like jan/feb
oh
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
how long ago
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
I just have huuuuge problems with calling people pedos for 0 reason other than for the trash talk bit. It's so weird man
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
ik i mean when
gecko4
gecko4
stellar posted it to twitter and it looked awful
gecko4
sakura.eve Does anyone remember when that twitter controversy i mentioned was? the one where we made pauze twee...
gecko4
pauze made a snarky remark toward Stellar, who was involved in the uan hacking modchat leaks
relicsong
relicsong
Sorry if I've sounded aggressive towards u btw wulzy I still love ya bro
relicsong
wulzy because i never understood this / realized it was an insane problem to this extent
relicsong
I hope you now understand our concern and push for a resignation, we genuinely just don't want Viprin v2 to happen because it was a horrible time that pushed many of us nearly to a resignation
devilmine
devilmine
🙏
it helps a lot and I appreciate it Wulzy
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
Does anyone remember when that twitter controversy i mentioned was? the one where we made pauze tweet an apology and then threw with everyone replying at the same time (edited)
tricipital
tricipital
wulzy i appreciate you making this discussion feel less like an echo chamber because most of us are just saying the same thing
polarbeahr
zhenmuron 1. My main account is obviously mine, the alt account stuff is from a shared account with a bunch of...
polarbeahr
Hey, want to share my insights on your responses pauze. 1. Anyone using this alt account is sharing a responsibility for what is said there. Excusing it is no bueno. The same level as ''My little brother said these things when I wasn't at my PC so its fine.'' Responsibility is your main focus and using an alt to do worse trash talk makes it worse, not better. 2. Trash talking on CS is NOT private. They are public servers, and anyone could have screenshotted or videod your messages regardless. Besides, mods have been demoted for private stuff. 3. Just because it wasn't done out of hate doesn't excuse anything. I believe SwtCyn wasn't an evil thumb-twiddling bad guy when they said the things they said but that doesn't mean it isn't seen as such to other people. I'll admit I'm a bit frustrated by this situation.
devilmine
devilmine
I appreciate you pitching and giving another view on those things
gecko4
gecko4 viprin single-handedly caused the formation of many moderator hate-groups which would target various...
gecko4
all of this was done with the motivation of exposing the mod team for "what it truly is" which, in their perception, was protecting pedophilia
gecko4
gecko4
you're fine
wulzy
wulzy
i hope i am not aggravating anyone i just would like to discuss this to connect with yall a bit more
gecko4
wulzy like when that was going on what possibly happened that affected so many people here so strongly
gecko4
viprin single-handedly caused the formation of many moderator hate-groups which would target various moderators either by hacking, death threats/wishes, hate brigades leading people to terrible mental states forcing them off the internet and overall made the community an uncomfortable place to inhabit as a moderator
incidius
sakura.eve i also personally think that pauze has been given warnings for behavior before, this whole time i've...
incidius
I also agree that this is not the first time there has been a community drama due to something pauze has done
wulzy
wulzy
btw love yall thanks for the patience
because i never understood this / realized it was an insane problem to this extent
i'm listening
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
its like closing your eyes and saying its not there
wulzy
wulzy
i'm not, i'm actually asking you to explain to me so i can understand
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
we did ts with viprin
you gotta stop pretending problems arent there
dude
wulzy
wulzy
hoping i can help the perspective shift a bit because this isnt healthy
relicsong
relicsong
And yes I was also very badly affected by Viprin's bullshit
wulzy
wulzy
i'm just discussing btw don't take this as hostile or anything
relicsong
wulzy i think it would be helpful if a lot of people tried to loosen themself from feeling closely drawn t...
relicsong
I would not be this worried if it weren't a Maintenance member who has been on the front end of the community for a long time
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
i also personally think that pauze has been given warnings for behavior before, this whole time i've been thinking about his reaction on twitter several months ago, and then during and after that he's on CS making racist jokes, further making his reputation poor if anyone were to find out
incidius
incidius
I have a question for @Pauze So Pauze, if you decide to stay as a maintenance mod and owner of GDS, what is your plan for tackling the backlash? More specifically, how do you plan to avoid another PR disaster for the mod team and keep the community’s respect? (edited)
wulzy
wulzy
like when that was going on what possibly happened that affected so many people here so strongly
tricipital
tricipital
ask colon
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
yes and you should know this wulzy (edited)
gecko4
wulzy were u personally affected by viprins drama ? genuinely asking
gecko4
ye
arcanin
wulzy were u personally affected by viprins drama ? genuinely asking
arcanin
yes
tricipital
tricipital
my messages in mod chat got leaked
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
yes
agsilver.
agsilver.
yes
arcanin
arcanin
our entire reputation will take a hit for it
tricipital
tricipital
yes
wulzy
wulzy
were u personally affected by viprins drama ? genuinely asking
tricipital
tricipital
a moderator got hacked and all of our chats got leaked
arcanin
wulzy it's a severe concern, but it's pauze's issue to fix. try not to take your friends criticisms to hea...
arcanin
this is not just a "pauze's fix" when he represents the mod team
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
🙏
geometry_dash
tricipital we took this mentality with viprin and it actively backfired around every turn
geometry_dash
speak
tricipital
wulzy i think it would be helpful if a lot of people tried to loosen themself from feeling closely drawn t...
tricipital
we took this mentality with viprin and it actively backfired around every turn
wulzy
wulzy
it's a severe concern, but it's pauze's issue to fix. try not to take your friends criticisms to heart because yall arent doing anything wrong
devilmine
devilmine
no matter what way u put it
its the one that is the biggest representation for the team in the sense of authority
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
this isn't drama this is a super severe concern
this mod drama is a maintenance sending racist jokes in CS for months and as recently as 49 days ago (edited)
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devilmine
devilmine
It isnt just any mods drama
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
😭
wulzy
relicsong I just want to ask because I am curious. After all the shit we have gone through, do you genuinely t...
wulzy
i think it would be helpful if a lot of people tried to loosen themself from feeling closely drawn to the mod team because i can't imagine what y'all are going through by taking every mod's drama personally and worrying about how it affects you, i think it really shouldn't and if you feel being mod is actually harmful to you because of this feeling then there needs to be a change
arcanin
arcanin
if pauze stays without repercussion, we will get called "complicit" about the whole thing
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
i shouldnt have to deal with this as a level sender
howard_subwoofer
howard_subwoofer
this was the response colon received, its the response others will tell you to do if anything
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
i definitely will feel morally poor if one of the people managing the team got off scot free for making racist jokes
howard_subwoofer
howard_subwoofer
the only people who think you should do anything want you to explicitly resign in protest because they know theres nothing else you can do
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
i'm glad you don't mind but the rest of us do
agsilver.
agsilver.
idk i got my closest friends question my morals and my standards because of this stuff
wulzy
wulzy
i think this is a perspective difference. it doesn't usually bother me when people complain about the team because as far as i've distanced myself well enough to know that all i do is send levels to robtop and i'm not someone actively running the team
gecko4
wulzy just ignore people asking you to comment on it
gecko4
i cannot ignore a close friend i talk to daily
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relicsong
relicsong
That's not happening
"Ah guys they said they just send levels pack it up we are so sorry for shitting on the mod team let's all be friends"
tricipital
tricipital
wulzy bless your heart but come on
relicsong
wulzy they need to be told we send levels and we really are not that important and we definitely shouldnt ...
relicsong
I just want to ask because I am curious. After all the shit we have gone through, do you genuinely think they will listen just like that?
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devilmine
devilmine
the one who comes after Viprin
like
is THE main mod in this communities view
g.ben
sakura.eve i'm genuinely feeling right now that if anyone else did this it would've been immediate demotion i c...
g.ben
exactly what i've been thinking honestly.
devilmine
devilmine
Pauze is like
wulzy
wulzy
just ignore people asking you to comment on it
they need to be told we send levels and we really are not that important and we definitely shouldnt be responsible for pauzes actions
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
just like viprin's pedophile accusations turning into "modchat is pedos"
devilmine
devilmine
We are being represented by someone like Pauze
1kreno
1kreno
another viprin situation would be disasterous
gecko4
gecko4
by not vocally pushing for a resignation despite having the space here to do so it is being complicit with racism
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
no that's our problem
tricipital
wulzy ngl why and how are u guys being called on to resolve pauzes issue
tricipital
because this shit rubs off on us just like viprin's situation. neither should have happened but optics dont give a fuck ab that
wulzy
wulzy
well thats their problem unfortunately
ravingrafters
ravingrafters
So Pauze does something, suddenly we all did it
Because a lot of people don't treat the mod team as individuals.
wulzy
wulzy
ngl why and how are u guys being called on to resolve pauzes issue
ravingrafters
ravingrafters
^
agsilver.
wulzy it wont
agsilver.
the mod team is being slandered in private by my friends already for this, it for sure is
tricipital
tricipital
ive already been called on to denounce this stuff
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
i'm genuinely feeling right now that if anyone else did this it would've been immediate demotion i cannot lie. All that i've felt since pauze started addressing things is that he was saying racist shit in CS and is going to be A-Okay just cuz he told us he'd change. Trust is built not given and right now i do not trust pauze
wulzy
wulzy
it wont
gecko4
gecko4
it's already happening
relicsong
wulzy its still bad to be throwing things out there and saying dumb shit, but theres another level of bein...
relicsong
despite that, the entire mod team will be absolutely torn apart because of this shit if pauze stays
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geometry_dash
geometry_dash
but i feel this sentiment heavily
i ofc dont have proof for this
and i wholeheartedly believe if anyone else engaged in that behavior they would be out immediately
wulzy
wulzy
but there is a difference
they are, thats in fact exactly what im saying
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
i think theyre both very bad
wulzy
wulzy
still bad tho
wulzy
tricipital you can say racist things while not being racist
wulzy
ye i agree
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
i dont think that there should be a difference between systematically racist and being casually racist
wulzy
wulzy
its still bad to be throwing things out there and saying dumb shit, but theres another level of being systematically racist and ive never known pauze to be that way
gormuck
gormuck
hmm I get it yeah
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
idk whats being sent to him
if rob decides that saying racist jokes is chill for a mod idk
wulzy
gormuck while I agree with most thing saids here I think calling pauze racist is crazy
wulzy
he was being racist but i dont think he is racist if that makes sense
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
ever since i read the chat logs last night i've been EXTREMELY uncomfortable, and seeing you sidestep it has made it worse
devilmine
devilmine You are in a big position as someone who owns GDS and has been helping run the game for a long time,...
devilmine
I really still stand by what I said here ultimately
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sakura.eve
sakura.eve
and i do not think that is a good character trait for a maintenance member
tricipital
tricipital
you can say racist things while not being racist
they were saying in past tense
lets not nit pick sakura's words here
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
which is factual
i didn't call pauze racist, i said he was being racist
gormuck
gormuck
while I agree with most thing saids here I think calling pauze racist is crazy
geometry_dash
sakura.eve it impedes my ability to feel comfortable here. One of the maintenance members i'm supposed to trust...
geometry_dash
true
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
it impedes my ability to feel comfortable here. One of the maintenance members i'm supposed to trust has been racist in CS and casually breaking the rules they enforce onto me
zhenmuron
kirichux3 1 question: what is your direct response to multiple people expressing their preference of you resig...
zhenmuron
I understand if you feel that way, but I dont think that this impedes my ability to be effective here. Ultimately it is up to Rob. He has been sent a report already
kirichux3
kirichux3
1 question: what is your direct response to multiple people expressing their preference of you resigning?
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
also im sorry for being slow to respond to each thing, im trying to give each question the full attention it deserves 🙏 i dont want to look like im ignoring anyone asking me stuff
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tricipital
tricipital
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the way i get into people's heads is just by being stupidly positive when surrounded by angry people. tends to make them even more mad
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
That being said tho, you need to figure this out not while being a gd mod. I cannot ignore the fact that what you did is just, not okay at all.
if you wanna get into peoples heads just shoot their bodies, i have a lot of friends who get super tilted by that, it's effective
just don't take the game seriously and play with a bunch of friends. if you don't care about the outcome of the game it doesn't really matter how your enemies are playing
arcanin
arcanin what is up with the chinese insults too
arcanin
@Pauze
zhenmuron
tricipital tbf it seems like pauze stopped playing cs2 around 2 months ago
zhenmuron
yeah after season 4 of premier ended I realized how toxic and shitty I was consistently feeling after each match and I stepped back, so it isn't fully fair to say that this would not have been a change in my life had this not gone on twitter. it got to the point where one of my close friends of a very long time and I got into a super heated argument and idk it just is so unhealthy for me. if I play again I need to figure out how to be more at peace and use it less as a tool to cope and more as a game. I've only really hopped on to check on my inventory since then.
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
i honestly don't really care if it's normalized or not. We are representatives of RobTop and the game. That is in the rules, it's who we are. By behaving in certain ways we are directly endorsing the game. Racism is racism, no matter what the community of the game sees it as, and linking it back to GD through GDS is just clear violation of the rules and I hold maintenance members to a higher standard because they enforce the rules. If anyone should know not to be racist and link GDS it should be hado pauze autonick and ryder
kazvixx
kazvixx
Dark humor is kinda normalized in most places, same goes for russian community so far (but worse it seems)
arcanin
arcanin 49 days ago
arcanin
this was said 49 days ago
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wulzy
wulzy
we cant decide how it goes
wulzy
gecko4 I have had many people close to me state that they will be very disappointed in the mod team in gene...
wulzy
well i think theyre directing their disappointment to the wrong place
arcanin
arcanin
this is wayyy too recent
arcanin
tricipital tbf it seems like pauze stopped playing cs2 around 2 months ago
arcanin
49 days ago
kazvixx
kazvixx
I knew uan for a bit longer than the most of people here and he was showing me some stuff which was going on in Italian community
tricipital
tricipital
so im not sure
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
no reason to have that anywhere near the team
tricipital
1kreno im also just bothered by the fact that if this didnt come out now this same behavior wouldve continu...
tricipital
tbf it seems like pauze stopped playing cs2 around 2 months ago
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
i dont like racist jokes anywhere tbh
geometry_dash
gecko4 I have had many people close to me state that they will be very disappointed in the mod team in gene...
geometry_dash
i would be very disappointed if it wasnt a demote
1kreno
1kreno
im also just bothered by the fact that if this didnt come out now this same behavior wouldve continued, wouldnt need others calling you out to realise why its bad
gecko4
gecko4
I have had many people close to me state that they will be very disappointed in the mod team in general if nothing is done to push for punishment in this case and i fear that it would very likely end up once again shaking up the reputation of everyone here due to one person's actions sliding by which is a situation we all know too well at this point
tricipital
tricipital
i think we are going to be pulled through the shitter for another 2 years just like with viprin staying on if a big change doesnt happen here
arcanin
arcanin
"no but its fine to be homophobic/racist if its to say bad things about the other team" so it's actively being used to insult people
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
I stand by what I said before. I think you continuing your work as mod and maintenance leaves me incredibly uncomfortable because I now see you as someone who thinks so long as it's just trash talk it's okay to talk like that. You said you won't anymore, but I can't validate that for myself for months of seeing you actually better yourself. This isn't a feeling that's going away and I wouldn't feel comfortable with others who talked like this.
wulzy
wulzy
I'm explaining the difference in unmod and whatever tf is decided on pauze
kazvixx
relicsong what if uan's intent was just very dark humor in private about viewpoints and topics that don't actu...
kazvixx
It actually was
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
like i think theyre equally as bad
arcanin
arcanin
pauze's behavior unfort also trivializes those issues
wulzy
wulzy
No
geometry_dash
wulzy uans tweets literally describe methodological and systematic hatred, pauzes are just incredibly stup...
geometry_dash
so are we chill with funny racism but not actual hatred
wulzy
wulzy
uans tweets literally describe methodological and systematic hatred, pauzes are just incredibly stupid, both look bad, but uan expresses systematic racism
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
if it was just a shared account id get it but u said u owned it
relicsong
relicsong
if we take the twitter route both cases are as bad as one another
arcanin
arcanin
or this
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
there's so many different ways to look at it
i think owning an account where someone is calling someone else a fag is not good
relicsong
wulzy unfortunately idk how u can read the tweet and speculate on this
relicsong
same goes for pauze's messages man i dont know what to tell ya bro
wulzy
arcanin these sort of stuff look very bad (and thats only a few)
wulzy
Ye im agreeing with you
kazvixx
kazvixx
I saw a bit on twitter but it seems to be not full
arcanin
wulzy i saw a tweet from someone that was sad because they interpreted pauzes messages towards russia / me...
arcanin
these sort of stuff look very bad (and thats only a few)
wulzy
relicsong what if uan's intent was just very dark humor in private about viewpoints and topics that don't actu...
wulzy
unfortunately idk how u can read the tweet and speculate on this
kazvixx
zhenmuron on first glance tho, his stuff extends well beyond cs trash talk, he was actively agreeing with and ...
kazvixx
Was there ever a proper translation to this?
relicsong
relicsong
because i and many others who are even closer to him know he does not actually believe in the things he said in those screenshots
wulzy
wulzy
its important to remember that many people in these groups that are constantly hurt from racism see any small comment as indicative of widespread hate for all people there
relicsong
zhenmuron goes back to the whole "We tend to enforce based on intent"
relicsong
what if uan's intent was just very dark humor in private about viewpoints and topics that don't actually reflect him as a person
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geometry_dash
geometry_dash
this is my interpretation
i feel like if this was held to the same standard as the average mod it would be a demotion
wulzy
arcanin what is up with the chinese insults too
wulzy
i saw a tweet from someone that was sad because they interpreted pauzes messages towards russia / mexico / india / china players as hatred for all people in those countries so ye would like to know what provokes that and also is worth clearing up at least here
halapeenyo
zhenmuron 1. My main account is obviously mine, the alt account stuff is from a shared account with a bunch of...
halapeenyo
Thank you for taking time out of your day to answer questions for us. I do not believe the things you said are representative of who you are as a person and I can see how you would say stupid things in the heat of the moment especially with friends. That being said, I do not think that behavior is acceptable. Not just because of what you said, but because of how it reflects on us, even if you never intended for it to get out. I ask that whatever steps you and maintenance take next are unbiased and are in accordance with what you would do for any of the rest of us. If you believe it’s a warning then that is ok with me as long as you hold yourself to the same standard.
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sakura.eve
sakura.eve
I don't think excusing it with trying to trash talk is valid either. Like you were just being racist. Sure it was with other people who were okay with racism but that doesn't excuse you participating with it.
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
its a terrible look for all of us (and yourself) (edited)
i don't want to sugarcoat it but i dont think this should just come off as a warning, and i hope it doesnt. i dont think any level of racism should be tolerated on the team, even if the intent was "just to trash talk"
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
talking like that directly encourages others too as well. By participating in racist chatting you were indirectly saying "i don't see anything wrong with this and will join in".
arcanin
arcanin
what is up with the chinese insults too
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
you still allowed slurs on a public-facing account that you owned (edited)
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
goes back to the whole "We tend to enforce based on intent"
on first glance tho, his stuff extends well beyond cs trash talk, he was actively agreeing with and perpetuating hateful discourse in a way that I was not
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geometry_dash
geometry_dash
that's the standard we're held to
geometry_dash
zhenmuron I own both but again both are shared accounts with multiple other ppl
geometry_dash
if you own the account you should be responsible for what happens on it
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zhenmuron
relicsong I would like an answer to this
zhenmuron
sorry I still need to read up on that, uan stuff happened when I was tapped out for med school stuff
wulzy
wulzy
"Cheeky monkey" is used a lot to describe toddlers in the UK at least when I was growing up too, I was horrified when I learned that people were using monkey with racial connotations
zhenmuron
tygore I clicked I hate you 💔
zhenmuron
get fucked
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relicsong
kazvixx If uan wanted to stay would he end up with a warning if there wasn't past hacking incident?
relicsong
I would like an answer to this
tygore
zhenmuron this kind of thing
tygore
I clicked I hate you 💔
zhenmuron
gecko4 in regards to #1, are you addressing just "FLOWER SMELLER" or also "MATTEROFSLIME"
zhenmuron
I own both but again both are shared accounts with multiple other ppl
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
this kind of thing
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zhenmuron 1. My main account is obviously mine, the alt account stuff is from a shared account with a bunch of...
gecko4
in regards to #1, are you addressing just "FLOWER SMELLER" or also "MATTEROFSLIME"
zhenmuron
wulzy Like monke brain ?
zhenmuron
ye
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
I will purge this from my vernacular regardless going forward
wulzy
wulzy
Like monke brain ?
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
sakura.eve I would yes, I read the logs and there is a part where he called his own dc'ing teammate a "monkey"
zhenmuron
Theres 2 paths you can take with this insult, and I definitely did not mean the one you are thinking of. I have used that to mean like "this person is an idiot" "this person is a caveman" like that kind of thing I absolutely DO NOT condone that shit as an insult for race and I absolutely did not mean it that way
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
I'm willing to disregard the alts since you say it's shared, but this was on main
arcanin
arcanin
i think words still hold their meaning and they were said with full intent as to what they're standing for
wulzy
wulzy
I think Pauze is taking accountability for the rest ^
g.ben
wulzy What about the part where he said no malicious intent or hate behind what was being said, would you ...
g.ben
i think you're missing the point, it isn't the intent whats important here in my opinion...
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
I would yes, I read the logs and there is a part where he called his own dc'ing teammate a "monkey"
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wulzy
wulzy
Just to use the whole sentence
What about the part where he said no malicious intent or hate behind what was being said, would you disagree with that too ?
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
I don't like how you're calling it just trash talk, you're old enough to know what racism looks like and you were just being racist. I don't think the context of it being CS is excusable, and anyone can screenshot messages. If you played against a gd player and started doing that they could've easily just screenshotted you and posted it. Calling it just trash talk is downplaying what you said.
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dashty
dashty
:robconfused:
kazvixx
kazvixx
If uan wanted to stay would he end up with a warning if there wasn't past hacking incident?
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
Also dw I know this isn't antagonistic in any way, I appreciate the questioning and clarification
zhenmuron
halapeenyo I have 3 questions 1. Could you clarify if all of the accounts mentioned here belong to you? 2. What...
zhenmuron
1. My main account is obviously mine, the alt account stuff is from a shared account with a bunch of different people. I don't really know who sent what, but the logs are pretty typical of common toxic back and forth in CS games and I want to get away from it. As you can see the language on the second account goes beyond any trolling I do on the main account and is not something I would say. 2. Since I know the source of this is trash talking without actual malicious intent or hate behind what is being said, this would probably be a warning. We tend to enforce based on intent and what would be considered a sign of failing as a GD Mod, trash talking from CS that was private up until a few days ago is not the same as saying these things in GDS, for example. 3. I'm not sure, probably something in line with #2 given that nothing I said was backed with malice or hate. It is stupid trash talk back and forth in what was previously a very private setting. CS is very competitive and its easy for people to shout out random stuff to try and throw each other off, it is stupid and childish but not representing a hidden hatred of any group of people.
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
Yeah ideally this could've been completely avoided, but unfortunately that's not what happened, and I don't think that we can be that support group. As it stands right now, I do not feel comfortable with Pauze continuing his work as maintenance, or maybe even mod, knowing that within the last 6 months he has been sending racist messages in CS lobbies, and on alts using slurs. This isn't excusable in my opinion, I don't think that getting into peoples heads is a valid excuse, because some of the messages were directed at his own team. I don't think that even if it was all just meant to get into peoples head's that that excuses this behavior. I want Pauze to get better, and I hope he does, but this is way too recent for me to think this should just be a slap on the wrist and move on, and I'm sure a lot of others here feel the same way. I don't think Pauze is bigoted, unfortunately that is how he acted while linking to the game he moderates for the last several months, and maybe even further if the logs went far enough back. This behavior isn't excusable.
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halapeenyo
halapeenyo
Hope my intentions are clear
halapeenyo
halapeenyo I have 3 questions 1. Could you clarify if all of the accounts mentioned here belong to you? 2. What...
halapeenyo
I also want to be clear this is not an attempt to bait out a specific answer from you to dogpile on you, I just want to know
strawberrytess
strawberrytess
More as a personal note, I think this is the reason we have friends. Friends are there to help you out when you no longer act appropriately. I heard some of u saying that calling out is the best course of action, but as long as it's done privately and with the intention of changing the person's mindset it's all that is really needed in this situation. This could've all been avoided if Pauze's friends were there to tell him "hey, this is not an okay thing to say", so as I am disappointed in the comments made public I am more disappointed in the people who allowed this to happen. Because we can be idiots sometimes, and that's what friends are for, to stop us from becoming the worst version of ourselves
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wulzy
wulzy
Very good questions unironically
get his ass
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devilmine
devilmine
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thanks for clarifying that, both of u
ye thats fair
zhenmuron
sakura.eve I personally wouldn't go as far as to say flexing either, I think the main problem with doing that i...
zhenmuron
yeah, it has been an inside joke in my cs friend group for a while, they make fun of it more than anything else. i get that in this context that does not come across tho
halapeenyo
zhenmuron Hey, In the last day some CS2 chat logs of mine got dug up where I said some dumb things to get a r...
halapeenyo
I have 3 questions 1. Could you clarify if all of the accounts mentioned here belong to you? 2. What would you and the rest of maintenance do if this was a non-maintenance moderator? 3. What do you think is the proper punishment, if any, for you? I hope these don’t come off as antagonistic, I do not mean it that way. I would genuinely like to know your thoughts
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wulzy
wulzy
@Juniper remember when i typed ginger beer quickly
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
idk if thats an off opinion
i think if any mod is publicly dropping slurs i think thats probably demote worthy
wulzy
wulzy
agree
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
especially public
i dont think slurs are acceptable in any setting tho
devilmine
devilmine
mhm
wulzy
wulzy
aka awful
But you're right that it matters about how it's seen by general people
devilmine
devilmine
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but if its a running gag then ignore that part
but I didnt know its a joke and it seems like a weird joke
I mean in hindsight yeah I can agree with that
wulzy
wulzy
Ye
devilmine
wulzy Ye so I think it's bad commentary
devilmine
wdym like specifically saying it was flexing?
orots
orots
regardless of whether pauze intended to flex or not it doesnt really matter much ..
wulzy
wulzy
Ye so I think it's bad commentary
devilmine
devilmine
as we arent really aware of it being a joke in that sense
it just what it came off to me and other people who saw those things
devilmine
wulzy Pauze and some friends joke with linking gd all the time, I've seen a bunch of people that don't eve...
devilmine
It might not be flexing realistically
1kreno
1kreno
you still cant just do that as one of the highest community figures of the game
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
I personally wouldn't go as far as to say flexing either, I think the main problem with doing that is it's directly linking this behavior to the game which is in violation of rule 1
wulzy
wulzy
Pauze and some friends joke with linking gd all the time, I've seen a bunch of people that don't even play cs in the circle doing it. Still dumb to do it right after awful messages but I don't think he's flexing
devilmine
devilmine
It doesnt help that u were actively using GDS and your position in this community as a "flex" in those public circumstances where u also behaved like this, which inevitably would poorly reflect on everyone here, I don't think you are a bad person under any circumstance but the situation given its probably the best for you to step back on that as mentioned
You are in a big position as someone who owns GDS and has been helping run the game for a long time, being one of the biggest representatives of the entire Mod Team, a lot more than any other mod currently arguably and with how u presented yourself publicly with this its unfortunately gonna paint the entire mod team in a less severe but similiar way like Viprin did ontop of the already poor image you had previously, I'd personally like to avoid another Viprin situation where the entire team gets demonized due to one persons actions and Id have to be inclined in agreeing with the others that it is probably the best step to take
g.ben
g.ben
i unfortunately have to agree with the others here... as raving said, cyn's and uan's demotion both came from private conversations. this is all public and is actively being discussed by basically the entirety of the active community. the amount of backlash the team as a whole would get if you were to stay is unimaginable... i dont think you believe in the things you said, however not believing in them doesnt change what the public sees. as the situation stands, i definitely think your best course of action would be to resign.
kirichux3
kirichux3
have nothing to really add on to others opinions on it, i agree entirely and i think resignation is your best path right now with everything in mind
orots
orots
sharing the same sentiment sadly, i imagine its different keeping things like this in the back of the mind having been managing the team for so long, but it is undeniably still very irresponsible (edited)
ravingrafters
ravingrafters
I'll organize my full thoughts once I've fully woken up since I got up like 15 minutes ago but, I'd also like to remind that with the uan situation, while there was the factor of being hacked twice in a short amount of time, most of, if not all of uan's statements that were factored in were private, so there's a bit of a tradeoff in the scenarios. SwtCyn's statements were private as well. Pauze's are public. While organizing the rest of my thoughts, I would like to say that I do greatly appreciate the apology, and like Pauze (and many of you) have stated, there is no apology that could excuse it.
sakura.eve
zhenmuron Hey, In the last day some CS2 chat logs of mine got dug up where I said some dumb things to get a r...
sakura.eve
I hope your break from CS helps a lot, because I don’t think the game is healthy for you if it’s making you act like that, but ultimately I feel super uncomfortable knowing that you justified in your head it’s okay to say these things in a CS lobby not even 6 months ago, like this is super recent and I’m not sure what your plans are but I don’t think you should continue being maintenance, I expect the enforcer of rules to not casually break them in their free time.
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wulzy
wulzy
Just being honest where I can as you guys know I like to play devil's advocate, I do think this is bad just to clarify
Also would be beneficial to remove Pauze as being responsible for other demotions
incidius
incidius
I do agree yeah that it was kinda hypocritical of pauze to be doing this stuff on a public account linked to gd when he’s unmodded multiple people before for doing inappropriate stuff on public gd accounts
wulzy
polarbeahr I appreciate the apology Pauze but personally... There's a lot of levels of toxicity. You can be fun...
wulzy
The message does take accountability and only adds this as a slight additional factor that isn't to excuse it, I think
agsilver.
zhenmuron Hey, In the last day some CS2 chat logs of mine got dug up where I said some dumb things to get a r...
agsilver.
A persons character isnt 100% what appears in online spaces, especially what happens in gaming communities. I have a friend who ive known for 5 years who is close with me and i spoke with him today as he showed me his chat logs from cs, i was dissapointed to see what was said but knowing all the discussions ive had with them and how supportive they are of me and the people around them. It is not telling of who they are. There are many factors as to why people behave the way they do in video games and I think competitive games can bring out the worst in people sometimes. Any competitive scene really. Pauze we've never really had the pleasure to talk or hang out or anything. But I dont believe you are a bad person. But this doesn't make you look good either. You just cannot with your position in this community be saying stuff like that. The owner of the official geometry dash discord server and one of the maintenance members of the game. Its so irresponsible to go back in and insult people the way you did.. Even if you had received insults yourself from said people you were communicating with. I acknowledge and appreciate your apology, however, I dont feel comfortable having you on the team anymore.
arcanin
arcanin
i believe you will do better, i dont think you should stay as mod either
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
i dont see why this would be different
we've held other people to that standard
i dont think any moderator should be dropping slurs and saying racist things on a public account
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
I appreciate the apology Pauze but personally... There's a lot of levels of toxicity. You can be funny toxic, edgy toxic, and just casually calling people pdfiles n stuff and excusing that as "blowing off steam" I'm not a fan of that at all
kazvixx
kazvixx
I dont recognize uan hating on anyone
incidius
incidius
Uan unmod was also due to him being hacked twice, not just the bigoted remarks
kazvixx
wulzy i do think there is a difference in the uan situation which was a lot more targeted hate vs pauze's ...
kazvixx
?????
gormuck
wulzy i do think there is a difference in the uan situation which was a lot more targeted hate vs pauze's ...
gormuck
I agree
wulzy
wulzy
i do think there is a difference in the uan situation which was a lot more targeted hate vs pauze's context being idiotic
nice
tricipital
tricipital
as someone who has a few friends from those kinds of online competitive games and can see the divide between (what they believe) and (what they say to troll/anger the enemy), i personally do not hold these comments to be reflective of any kind of bigoted beliefs you may have pauze but at the same time, the messages are really inexcusable to say especially when you're tying your online identity to them and flexing the geometry dash server
relicsong
relicsong
I could not imagine the outrage towards the mod team when some of the more abhorrent messages you sent were to get publicised and people see the double standard when they remember what happened with uan.
I appreciate your apology and you are right, the messages sent are inexcusable and you need to be held accountable for them because, in all honesty, I and many others here feel disgusted knowing that such words even crossed your mind to type in the first place. But I also hope you realise that this situation is eerily similar to what uan went through near the end of May this year. He ended up being demoted under the guise of resigning. This is a logical backing for many of us to claim that you should follow those principles and I hope you get where we are coming from because, as mentioned here the other day, this is the "new maintenance"; free from Viprin's unchallengeable tyranny. This leaves no possible wiggle room for double standards as such, and thus I firmly believe resignation is your best course of action. I think anyone can improve, including you, but what you have continuously said in CS as recently as this year is as unacceptable as what uan said behind the scenes.
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
Hey, In the last day some CS2 chat logs of mine got dug up where I said some dumb things to get a rise out of the guys on the enemy team. It was in poor taste and doesn’t represent who I am or what I believe. My actions here were stupid and inexcusable and I deeply regret letting the game's culture make this feel okay. I recognize that by using language like that it perpetuates and normalizes the use of such language further which is unacceptable. It causes real harm to continue to speak like this, even if it is in a space where such language is normalized. I understand and respect how disappointed many of you are in me. I know it does not mean much to just say this, actions speak louder than words, but I promise you I will do better. I am sorry for saying these things and I recognize that I have made many of you uncomfortable through my actions. I also wanted to mention that I have not played CS in a while and will continue to take a break from the game. Counter Strike has been an unhealthy coping mechanism that helps me blow off steam through toxicity. This in no way excuses what I have said, however. I am especially sorry to those of you who reside in or belong to groups disrespected by the things I have said. I can assure you that this is no more than me saying things in a Counter Strike lobby to get a rise out of people and does not reflect how I actually feel about any of these cultures or groups. This does not bleed into my work elsewhere, and it will never influence how the team is run. I appreciate you guys having a conversation about this here, these are important conversations to be having. Please ask me any questions you may have, I will do my best to answer everything in a timely fashion, I've cancelled my plans for the rest of the day so you guys are my top priority.
arcanin
arcanin
7 games total btw
arcanin
sakura.eve this is what i mean btw just in case im not clear, everything else mentioned feels circumstantial, t...
arcanin
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sakura.eve
this is what i mean btw just in case im not clear, everything else mentioned feels circumstantial, this feels very compelling, gd achievements do not
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arcanin
arcanin
huge doubt this is not associated with him
the gd achievements line up perfectly with pauze's
sleygd
sleygd
Maintainance should be held to a higher standard than base mods, you are the ones handing out punishments so act like it yk
arcanin
sakura.eve i’d rather this be proven with numbers instead of using circumstantial evidence to just act like thi...
arcanin
i mean the stats also feel similar on that account
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
this all feels extremely conspiratorial
i’d rather this be proven with numbers instead of using circumstantial evidence to just act like this account is pauze, flower smeller is confirmed for me cuz the stats line up
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
ye admittedly theres a lot going on
sleygd
sleygd
It's just sad and childish idk
"Don't talk badly about the game"
Both accounts could be not alts of pause and simply the gds drop alongside shittalking should be enough for a demotion ino
gecko4
gecko4
yea
arcanin
gecko4 Pauze has 3.4k stars in game and the account has the achievement for 3000 stars but not 3500 stars
arcanin
user coin achievements match up too
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
this feels very conspiratorial
gecko4
gecko4
and yeah this account's achievements line up perfectly with pauze's stats in game
this is proving that "MATTEROFSLIME" was at the very least signed in when pauze opened gd
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
Because else it makes sense
You mean other way around?
gecko4
gecko4
Pauze has 3.4k stars in game and the account has the achievement for 3000 stars but not 3500 stars
idk if pauze visited there tho
whereas most were the US
i saw one of the flower smeller servers was Sydney, Australia
devilmine
devilmine
depending on the host
that defines how "broad" the matchmaking can get
devilmine
gecko4 still not sure how a game's server is determined
devilmine
theres a maximum ping u can have in settings
gecko4
gecko4
yea
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arcanin
arcanin
among other f-slurs
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this account has some very bad stuff on it too
gecko4
gecko4
still not sure how a game's server is determined
most of this account's lobbies are also Chicago like pauze's main and many of flower smeller too
arcanin
gecko4 they unlocked all achievements on the same day so it's definitely somebodies alt
arcanin
the account played with both moosh and prism
incidius
incidius
Idk about the slime one
incidius
sakura.eve i think the most compelling evidence for me about flower smeller being pauze was the stats were near...
incidius
Flower smeller is definitely pauze
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gecko4
arcanin yea they have the star rate achievement unlocked
gecko4
they unlocked all achievements on the same day so it's definitely somebodies alt
gecko4
gecko4
might be at work
kirichux3
kirichux3
feel like its been long enough
Talk here
also would like pauze to just . yk
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
idk if circumstantial “well they in flower smeller group and play gd and” i think the numbers make it way more convincing
i think the most compelling evidence for me about flower smeller being pauze was the stats were nearly identical, preaim, headshot, clutch% stuff like that, not KDs cuz you get better KDs for playing the same when you smurf
arcanin
arcanin
im just wondering how much they're related
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
can u like log into someone elses account to get achievements
arcanin
arcanin
yea they have the star rate achievement unlocked
kirichux3
kirichux3
So
also they have gd and cs as their only games
flowersmellers 😭
arcanin
arcanin
that group has connot in it
gecko4
gecko4
well yea but i dont think pauze has 23 alts
agsilver.
agsilver.
i mean look at the groups
gecko4
gecko4
could be friend group inside joke tho idk
maybe
same guy the @/pauze account on discord uses as pfp
arcanin
arcanin
is this account related to pauze?
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sakura.eve
sakura.eve
i don’t think the knoeppel messages matter in this discussion, cuz i lowkey don’t even know if pauze was in the game when knoeppel was saying this stuff, id rather focus on related stuff instead of talking about a random community member
rainbowfeathers
rainbowfeathers
this is all very surprising
i am
gormuck
gormuck
:DemonKey:
idk i'm just not surprised
devilmine
devilmine
😭
if ur teammates rip that too and u just tolerate that then i think there is a big issue
tygore
tygore
nah yea but why? D: (edited)
gormuck
tygore wdym?
gormuck
that knoeppel's message are worse than pauze
tygore
gormuck can't say i'm surprised sadly
tygore
wdym?
rainbowfeathers
rainbowfeathers
man this is super rough
gormuck
gormuck
but still very disappointing yea
can't say i'm surprised sadly
arcanin
arcanin
its crazy disappointing
knoeppel's messages are somehow worse than pauze's
orots
orots
damnn
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
it def is 😭
orots
orots
if thats actually knoeppel thats really disappointing breh
rainbowfeathers
rainbowfeathers
still it’s about knoeppel
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
o ok
orots
orots
yea no i get that part
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
u may want to clarify thats not pauze
orots
arcanin **NOT PAUZE'S, this is from knoeppel's**
orots
Oh
sakura.eve
geometry_dash regardless conduct anywhere is connected to u being gd mod
sakura.eve
especially if you post the link to gd server frequently
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
cuz if you really like CS you can’t control the community, but you can control how you talk
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
so many mods have been held to that standard
regardless conduct anywhere is connected to u being gd mod
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
or playing with people who join it
i think i can understand playing and dealing with it, but i don’t like at all joining in on it
gecko4
agsilver. i had a discussion today with my friend and he just explained to me how the lobbies are and i cant f...
gecko4
and they know it too
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agsilver.
agsilver.
i thought league could get bad but damn
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
the last thing id do is join in like 😭
devilmine
devilmine
idk i feel uncomfortable about that 😭
if u play with this without batting an eye too that is just nah man
1kreno
1kreno
everything here is super disappointing
whizkid05
whizkid05
Very ew
whizkid05
arcanin **NOT PAUZE'S, this is from knoeppel's**
whizkid05
Ew
arcanin
arcanin
they seem to love their rape jokes
agsilver.
agsilver.
talk like that to each other
i had a discussion today with my friend and he just explained to me how the lobbies are and i cant fathom a community where people just
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insane
cs is just
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
not a very good place
i mean cs is just like that
devilmine
devilmine
idk 😭
well teammates of his certainly said this stuff
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arcanin **NOT PAUZE'S, this is from knoeppel's**
1kreno
wtf
tygore
tygore
ohh 💔
geometry_dash
tygore is it from Pauze's account? I can't find it on the cstracker
geometry_dash
this one was knoeppel
tygore
arcanin **NOT PAUZE'S, this is from knoeppel's**
tygore
is it from Pauze's account? I can't find it on the cstracker
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
i think baseline is that if there's a publicly accessible space thats connected to you you have to be mature
arcanin
arcanin
food for thought
so idk
seems by himself but hes also in those same spaces
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
tbf the alt dropped f slurs too (edited)
devilmine
devilmine
id assume not
just him doing that by himself or is that in any connection to pauze
like
devilmine
arcanin has a lot of f-slurs too
devilmine
i assume its seperate
arcanin
arcanin
its insane man
has a lot of f-slurs too
gormuck
arcanin **NOT PAUZE'S, this is from knoeppel's**
gormuck
bruh
g.ben
arcanin **NOT PAUZE'S, this is from knoeppel's**
g.ben
???
devilmine
devilmine
😭
then im done
and dont say shit
if u also chill with people like this
okay brah
devilmine
arcanin **NOT PAUZE'S, this is from knoeppel's**
devilmine
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sakura.eve
sakura.eve
okay i’m gonna say it, i really don’t understand the mindset at all about doing this stuff to get into people’s heads. I’ve played valorant for 5 years and have like 2000 hours in the game and i’ve never felt the need to be derogatory. If you wanna get in someone’s head spray bodies, t bag, spam tap defuse on the bomb, or just type their KD in the chat. I don’t understand the need to say any of what was said, i don’t think the CS culture is an excuse. I find these logs extremely concerning and disgusting because it shows what was determined okay to say and private enough to where they think they can get away with it.
arcanin
arcanin
NOT PAUZE'S, this is from knoeppel's (edited)
devilmine
devilmine
did he????
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
bruh
arcanin
arcanin
people gotta chill 😭
just disappointing overall
i also saw that knoeppel ripped transphobic messages
gecko4
agsilver. pauze 100% still did play on the account but i just wanted to say that it wasnt all him and the alts...
gecko4
worth noting too that the accounts have extremely similar stats in general so it seems unlikely that a majority of the acc usage would be other people
agsilver.
agsilver.
the main alone is still bad enough in my eyes tbh though so
pauze 100% still did play on the account but i just wanted to say that it wasnt all him and the alts could have multiple perpetrators, so whatever he said on his main and you can see his typing pattern there and tie it in with how things were typed on the alt etc
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
which is also bad
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
i mean regardless i think were expected to regulate what is said on any account attached to us
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
the alt is really really bad so i’m not sure how likely it is every single bad message on the alt was sent by someone while account sharing, but i think the concern valid enough to unless its provable who was on ill only focus on the main
yeah the f slurs were on the alt
gecko4
gecko4
the game with the f slur didnt have pauze's main in
arcanin
arcanin
ultimately is still responsible to some degree because pauze never called them out not to do it even tho he was actively playing with them
so a lot of messages doesn’t seem like it was typed by pauze
arcanin
agsilver. Im not too sure about this but i spoke to a friend who is acquainted with pauze and i have heard tha...
arcanin
yea if you look up the games where the messages were typed in, some of them have both pauze’s main and the alt in the same games
gecko4
gecko4
in regards to the alt it's honestly more icing on the cake than anything else
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
pauze sending the gd discord invite in a lot of those games makes those messages directly traceable back to his role in GD so yeah very harsh and consistent disregard to rule 1
gecko4
gecko4
yeah true
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
that’s more on rule 1, which i think was entirely broken
gecko4
gecko4
and has that stuff on it
less about the account sharing and more about the fact that even if it werent him the account is easily traceable to him
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
tho honestly haven’t in like 2 years but yeah i think that rule is primarily for keeping non mods off of a mod account
like if i can’t play and people need to fill
i’ve account shared in valorant before with people i trust for premier games
that’s admittedly a bit of a stretch for rule 2, that is focused on gd account security
rainbowfeathers
rainbowfeathers
Read rule 2
gecko4
gecko4
not sure how consistent it is or how it's determined
the chatlogs also tell you which server the game was played on
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
that’s a fair concern actually, on pauzes main there’s still bad messages (and honestly his main made me uncomfortable before i learned about the alt) but there is a chance the worst messages on his alt aren’t from pauze if he’s account sharing.
agsilver.
agsilver.
Still if you let people play on alts, ya gotta not let them say bs on it either
Im not too sure about this but i spoke to a friend who is acquainted with pauze and i have heard that he has played on the alt account before, it doesnt excuse the messages are horrible but there isnt 100% confirmation its all his messages ?
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
like we left ts in 2017 (edited)
the messages on the alt are downright horrible
devilmine
devilmine
^
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
Well said Infra, thanks for sharing your insight
kazvixx
kazvixx
but I'd wait till the modchat calms down with the current stuff
i honestly have a serious thing to discuss regarding such stuff
and yet we know rob will likely ignore
1nfra
1nfra
I'd like to give my two cents regarding the earlier conversation. Please bear with me. The past month has been egregious to be on the internet as a community member, given the exponential growth of negative expression and toxicity on not just internet hotspots fueling said antisocial behavior, but how much it's become so mainstream and normalized anywhere. A part of this frustration extends towards the moderator team, which has occasionally involved itself in shittalking and drama. While my motivations to take my current break lasting until October is more in regards to the internet in its entirety, matters like the incident with SwtCyn have solidified my decision to stay away from the community for some time, at least on discord. It was genuinely appalling to see someone who played a significant role in allowing me to acclimate to my position as mod express blasphemous rhetorics that, even if indirectly, dehumanizes my identity as a queer and furry individual. It's painful to see that someone on the inside which I trusted would engage in antisocial, spiteful behavior, and it's made me feel unsafe being on the online space. So, imagine my reaction when I see the publizised CS chat history that harbor spiteful, antisocial behavior that alludes to racism and deathwishing, the same behavior that members of the mod team have had to tank for years (especially tenfold since the start of 2026), by someone who oversees the Mod Team. I am genuinely baffled by the disconnect in moral ideals, and, by extension, integrity. You are free to have your opinion on Valve's decision to publizise CS chat logs, and I understand that online gameplay in games like CS, Valorant, etc harbor a lot of trash-talking and banter which aren't particularly uncommon for those communities. However, I firmly believe that your actions and statements online have a footprint that can have ramifications, and that's what we see here, made worse by the fact that Pauze's username on CS is the same verbatim and especially further exacerbated by his decision to bring up GD and the GDS invite link for whatever reason. While I won't deny that we should not be expected to automatically understand PR practices as individuals with our own lives, I would expect some professional standards by the individuals who help oversee the Mod Team, yet I've seen social blunders get made multiple the past year and this year that end up impacting the Mod Team as a whole. I feel horrible saying this, but seeing revelations like these, all while having already dealt with an onslaught of drama especially given matters involving Viprin, uan, and SwtCyn makes this feel all the more embarrassing, especially since the team and myself have already gone through so much. Quite frankly, I am thoroughly disappointed in the state of the mod team and how much backlash and online harassment is needed to lobby changes to ensure the sanctity and safety of our own members. I absolutely love being a part of the mod team, and as you guys know I am very outspoken about safety, security and social concerns with the intent to help ensure everyone else's peace of mind, but in a situation where it feels like my own moral integrity ends up incongruent with someone who I look up to for support, I start to question my own self and place. It's already bad enough that multiple mods have resigned this year due to discomfort and overwhelm from online discourse, and I don't want to end up doing the same, and it seems from the conversation I am not the only one that feels that way. Sorry for the long tangent, I just wanted to voice my thoughts before I self-admit myself to a full on social media break for a week, seeing as avoiding discord isn't enough. I really want the best for the moderator team, and I genuinely think that this position can be a force for positivity and kindness. We really need to do better, and I strongly hope Pauze takes accountability in a mannerism that makes sense. (edited)
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devilmine
devilmine
about anything
We constantly get told "DM rob yourself" by pauze and such
but like
devilmine
kazvixx better ask nick for it imo
devilmine
I mean im sorry
kazvixx
kazvixx
been doing this a few times
kazvixx
devilmine i asked rob about a whitelist for a recent really cool community project
kazvixx
better ask nick for it imo
agsilver.
agsilver.
no worries infra
arcanin
gecko4 i asked pauze and he said “dm rob yourself”
arcanin
💀
1nfra
1nfra
writing something a lil extensive pls bear with me
gecko4
gecko4
yup
agsilver.
agsilver.
oh and we know how that goes!!!
gecko4
gecko4
i asked pauze and he said “dm rob yourself”
agsilver.
agsilver.
to talk to rob?
did anyone bring it up with a maintenance?
gecko4
gecko4
it only matters if someone brings up to rob
gecko4
agsilver. we brought it up here
gecko4
also this does nothingn
gecko4
gecko4
they only found out and posted the announcement many hours later
it was over a full day
agsilver.
agsilver.
we brought it up here
yeah i think after less of a day is crazy especially when like
tygore
tygore
after less than a day
tygore
devilmine robtop is uncontactable
tygore
true but not a reason to do a ban evasion
devilmine
devilmine
🥀 🥀 🥀
so like
got aired
gecko4
gecko4
i dmd rob about it but no response yet
devilmine
devilmine
i asked rob about a whitelist for a recent really cool community project
gecko4
gecko4
yea
devilmine
devilmine
so i dont even blame them 😭
and doesnt respond 90% of the time
for anyone
robtop is uncontactable
tbf what else should they do
tygore
gecko4 they were donated a different server to host the bot on by a community member
tygore
oh :sobbe:
gecko4
gecko4
to see if it flags again
i assume they may try to dial back how much it uses the API maybe
gormuck
gormuck
true
devilmine
devilmine
💀
they just evaded it and dont help their case
which i doubt
cuz IN the case he intentionally banned it
like extremely dumb
devilmine
gecko4 they were donated a different server to host the bot on by a community member
devilmine
that seems like a pretty dumb approach
kirichux3
kirichux3
o
gecko4
gecko4
they were donated a different server to host the bot on by a community member
devilmine
devilmine
when it originally got banned
gecko4
gecko4
oh nvm rob didnt unban
devilmine
devilmine
iirc a globed dev said they had to take MONTHS to get their verification bot whitelisted/fixed
devilmine
kirichux3 these ppl overreacting calling robtop incompetent for it to be back in like under 12h 😭
devilmine
with how rob has been dealing with things like these i dont blame them
gecko4
gecko4
anyway cool its back now
wonder if he saw my dm or just did this on his own
kirichux3
incidius Yay senddb is back
kirichux3
these ppl overreacting calling robtop incompetent for it to be back in like under 12h 😭
incidius
incidius
Yay senddb is back
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gecko4
gecko4
nothing much to add, echoing same sentiment shared here
wow the logs are so much worse than what was initially brought to light
relicsong
relicsong
hopefully so 🫡
tricipital
tricipital
i think pauze will make the right call here
people here have already said that either pauze resigns or they get pushed out (edited)
arcanin
arcanin
would feel very icky that uan got the boot but an apology from pauze would be enough because he’s maintenance
kazvixx
arcanin yea but part of me feels like the thing that will happen is pauze posting an apology and then waits ...
kazvixx
Viprins strategy doesn't work
arcanin
arcanin
yea but part of me feels like the thing that will happen is pauze posting an apology and then waits for stuff to chill
kazvixx
kazvixx
I wonder what happens to gds in this case
tricipital
tricipital
i highly highly doubt that nothing happens
arcanin
arcanin
I wouldn’t want to be associated either
relicsong
relicsong
we need one standard idgaf if ur maintenance or not
cus this aint right
if nothing happens in this case and the mod team ends up getting even more shit for it then im lowkey gonna consider resigning
devilmine
devilmine
yeaaa
relicsong
relicsong
for sure
joris_0
joris_0
Yeah safe to say, it's clear what should happen next for pauze. Pretty brutal stuff to be leaked without consequences
kazvixx
kazvixx
Someone hacked his socials another time and shared some bad stuff he was jokingly writing in private
strawberrytess
strawberrytess
yikes
devilmine
devilmine
yeah
devilmine
strawberrytess what was the context behind uan's demotion? my memory's hazyy
devilmine
He had a private platform with its chat exposed where there were some racist convos and stuff being said
liathecat
liathecat
making george floyd jokes in private or whatever
strawberrytess
strawberrytess
what was the context behind uan's demotion? my memory's hazyy
devilmine
arcanin no the vast majority was about what he said
devilmine
If was both tbf
arcanin
arcanin
which is deserved
no the vast majority was about what he said
kazvixx
kazvixx
I feel like the lack of security was the main aspect of getting uan resigned
devilmine
devilmine
:nails:
which i still find pretty bad by itself but thats just worse
he said shit privately (still bad shit but at least not in a public game)
he didn't say this publicly in a public game while linking to his gd presence
like
uans was not even as bad
yeah tbh
arcanin
arcanin
I feel like this situation is a lot more comparable to uan’s and would show hypocrisy if nothing is done in this case imo (edited)
kazvixx
kazvixx
I am a bit tired of seeing yrax demotion always brought up when it gets acknowledged someone fucked up, I feel like, it was up to rob to demote or not and I doubt mt just hid from rob that they made them resign. The demotion was oddly harsh, for sure, but if we don't like how it went, isn't it wrong to force other demotions because of it? Not justifying what pauze did so far.
arcanin
devilmine i get that it's not actual beliefs but saying that stuff in a public game while also linking it to g...
arcanin
the recency of it all + linking gds + saying this under his public gd username is a lot
devilmine
tricipital its pretty clear what needs to happen
devilmine
yeahhhh
devilmine
devilmine i get that it's not actual beliefs but saying that stuff in a public game while also linking it to g...
devilmine
"yo this might be a bad representation for that"
tricipital
tricipital
its pretty clear what needs to happen
not much more to do
orots
orots
^
tricipital
tricipital
i think we just wait for pauze to do what we all are expecting
devilmine
devilmine
because there wasn't even the thought of (edited)
i get that it's not actual beliefs but saying that stuff in a public game while also linking it to gds is a bit much
orots
zhenmuron i mean again im not thinking racist things about these ppl im just trying to get in their head for r...
orots
the comparison on its own shouldnt be indicative of which one is worse, just like every situation they have differing levels of sensitivity/nuance, but i hope it is known that it is not something of very low magnitude that can be brushed aside, as this is where it feels like the earlier discussion was heading
devilmine
devilmine
if nothing is said its even worse but even then idk if i feel great being represented indirectly by someone who says those things and behaves like this
arcanin
arcanin
it’s getting to a point
he’s just not fit for this
pauze has been getting into drama over and over again
devilmine
devilmine
idk i think these pauze messages are bad and he has to say something publicly at least otherwise it's extremely cooked
tricipital
tricipital
yeah theres no point in talking ab it here now
devilmine
tricipital i dont want to get into the yrax stuff its just not a productive comparison because child safety and...
devilmine
i think the issue that comes down to this was that it literally 100% was an accident of having followed accs based on a singular post which doesn't nearly pose the same weight given as child safety but theres no point in talking about it right now as it should be more about the current topic at hand
tricipital
tricipital
again im not excusing the cs messages
i dont want to get into the yrax stuff its just not a productive comparison because child safety and a ton of bigoted messages are treated with different levels of sensitivity in situations like this child safety is a much more dangerous subject
devilmine
devilmine
that is true to some degree yeah
arcanin
arcanin
no it shows that he never grew from it (edited)
devilmine
devilmine
literally was a kid at the time and internet was wild
i mean admittedly that really doesn't count
arcanin
arcanin
didn’t pauze alr get exposed a while back for edgy comments in 2017-ish
kazvixx
kazvixx
And this is also not 100%
kazvixx
wulzy my controversial take of the day is that i think mod chat is almost entirely pointless 😭 most of th...
kazvixx
Clearly because only maintenance team can access rob operatively currently
tricipital
devilmine accidentally following an acc vs actively using slurs and racism to ragebait people in a game while ...
tricipital
im not debating which is worse, but that its not a good comparison
devilmine
devilmine
idk 😭
devilmine
tricipital one is child safety concerns and another is bigoted messages in an online game
devilmine
accidentally following an acc vs actively using slurs and racism to ragebait people in a game while also linking it directly to gds
tricipital
tricipital
one is child safety concerns and another is bigoted messages in an online game
devilmine
tricipital i dont think this kind of comparison is productive
devilmine
it probably isn't im still just a bit salty how she was treated admittedly but regardless
tricipital
tricipital
i dont think this kind of comparison is productive
orots
orots
id agree
devilmine
devilmine
will just add that yrax/zyraa got demoted for less ngl but maybe just me 😭
strawberrytess
strawberrytess
guys don't let csgo bring out the worst in uuu
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
Just went with the links posted by sakura, it shows besides every thread how many months ago it was
tygore
tygore
Oh ok ok
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
Anything between 2-6 months
tygore
polarbeahr Click to see attachment
tygore
Do you know when the messages has been sent?
mbed
tygore Click to see attachment
mbed
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tygore
tygore
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Hi
mbed
mbed
hello
scary 😱
scary reading my name right now
tygore
tygore
Wait maybe it wasn't a joke, but it was from mbed for sure
Viprin never said such a thing
tygore
geometry_dash and then say how half the team should be demoted
tygore
Lmaoo no, it wss a joke from mbed iirc
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
Ur good
agsilver.
agsilver.
Fair im just, surprised cause i would have called out any of my friends in a heartbeat if they were doing the same stuff, sorry didnt mean to instigate anything (edited)
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
I'll give them a pass, it can be hard to address stuff like that even in friendly situations
agsilver.
agsilver.
Im in awe that the people that pauze played with also didnt, say anything about this (edited)
devilmine
devilmine
like... very much so
and that unfortunately just wasnt there
theres a lot of responsibility to be held in your position especially because u represent a higher thing than any mod here in this team or in this game entirely
ngl
which makes it feel a tad bit worse too beyond it already being pretty bad behavior to begin with
directly associating this behavior with your GD presence too
I think what makes this especially bad to some degree is just that you also send the GDS invite link a lot of times
tricipital
tricipital
i mean i cant speak for everyone but
i think we all share the same thoughts
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whizkid05
whizkid05
I don't care if the rest of the cs community is just as bad or worse, this is still horrible
Like come the fuck on
just.starr_
polarbeahr Click to see attachment
just.starr_
oh my god
whizkid05
whizkid05
"Oh yknow, maybe it's not a very good idea to be saying these things"
You're telling me all this was said and not once were you like
devilmine
devilmine
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yeah ngl the alt is even worse
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
Here's some stuff from both accs
g.ben
g.ben
i kinda have to agree unfortunately... this is just not something i expected tbh.
agsilver.
agsilver.
Pauze ur great but this stuff that got out really is not great (edited)
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
Wow
Went through the alt
tricipital
polarbeahr I agree tri, though that's a different discussion. For all we know this was indeed screenshotted
tricipital
i agree, it wouldnt even matter in this situation for sure
agsilver.
agsilver.
the community
sorry not just twitter
Twitter is gonna bash the shit out of us if nothing comes from this
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
I agree tri, though that's a different discussion. For all we know this was indeed screenshotted
agsilver.
agsilver.
I dont know im kinda just in awe that this kinda stuff was said, no matter how normalized it is for the community, you just shouldnt say ts regardless 😭
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tricipital
tricipital
the messages speak for themselves though in this case
tricipital
sakura.eve i personally think that there shouldn’t be privacy of keeping match logs hidden, i really appreciate...
tricipital
i agree that game chats should def be public for transparency's sake but you dont just push these changes retroactively like valve did..
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
yeah same here it’s so late
orots
orots
i gotta dip for now tho 🫡
sakura.eve
tricipital im just disappointed man, like that kind of edgy stuff is crazy to say especially in video game lobb...
sakura.eve
i personally think that there shouldn’t be privacy of keeping match logs hidden, i really appreciate the transparency, like some people say horribly sexist stuff in valorant and it’s just gone, you can report and they get chat muted ig but yeah having logs is nice for reporting i do think more games should follow in valves steps
tricipital
orots one thing to not like being put in the spotlight as a public figure but this definitely crosses that...
tricipital
yeah its just disappointing for sure
orots
orots
idk man
orots
tricipital im just disappointed man, like that kind of edgy stuff is crazy to say especially in video game lobb...
orots
one thing to not like being put in the spotlight as a public figure but this definitely crosses that line imo, esp if you brag about the gds stuff and inadvertently acknowledge the influence
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
Can we please stop using pedo as a buzzword for swearing like it's genuinely so weird
orots
orots i mean reading up on the convo pauze p much acknowledged so here
orots
cuz the initial one that was brought up was about his alt i believe
tricipital
tricipital
im just disappointed man, like that kind of edgy stuff is crazy to say especially in video game lobbies with your name attached regardless of if you have any kind of bigoted beliefs it is also disappointing that these kind of chat logs were made public by valve in the first place considering the nature of competitive video game lobbies and how heated people can get while expecting that what they say in the match stays in the match (although when you say shit under your public username, anyone in that lobby can just screenshot or video so it really doesn't matter in this case :Skull:). maybe in the long run it'll be a good thing to encourage people in these game communities to hold each other accountable but its a bit wild the way valve went about this
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sakura.eve
sakura.eve
so have fun
and you can click on the messages to see context
logs up to 6 months ago i think
i didn’t recall that but that’s convenient
orots
orots
i mean reading up on the convo pauze p much acknowledged so here
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
Right
And he's named flower smeller in GDLB I saw
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
both together seems like this is his alt
and the stats are very similar (between flower smeller and pauze) (edited)
someone went through a lot of effort to prove flower smeller is an alt, i think the most damning proof is it queued with moosh and prism
just.starr_
just.starr_
i cant sleep so ill see the logs, where can i find them?
relicsong
relicsong
especially after the uan stuff
if they get all the logs and pauze still sticks around we as the mod team are genuinely fucked
gdtwt has already gotten their hands on some screenshots
orots
orots
im sorry but like these are publicly traceable logs/lobbies and its arguably worse and more careless to what uan did ..
cant speak for everyone of course but regardless of who it was i think the majority of the team would be in favor of letting them resign, seeing how the uan stuff played out post demotion
whizkid05
whizkid05
^
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
it makes me very uncomfortable i cannot lie
orots
orots
these are really bad unfortunately and there are a lot of them
whizkid05
whizkid05
What was pauze thinking
I just got up to seeing the other chat logs and dude come on
tricipital
tricipital
i think uan had some bad stuff revealed in their initial hacking and the second leak just kinda compounded stuff leading to them being pushed to resign but yeah
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
It is worse lol, this guy is just going crazy in public and uan gets booted for private stuff
tricipital
tricipital
the content is also worse tho
privacy wise i mean
yeah id argue that cs msgs are worse than whatsapp or priv discord messages, like what if someone in that cs lobby just happened to play gd and screenshotted or recorded ...
kirichux3
kirichux3
uan iirc never directly said anything
lowkey even worse
tricipital
tricipital
yeah this is super comparable to the uan situation
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
or, in 2026 doesn’t matter i more so meant it like, saying this stuff like only a few months ago
yeah i was under the impression it wasn’t bad based on how he described it earlier, but after reading the chat log myself i do not feel comfortable with him at the very least being maintenance, sorry dude, but like, you should know better, saying stuff like that in 2026, it’s horrible, just shoot bodies if you wanna get in their head
kirichux3
kirichux3
i think we can all agree if we found out a mod used the F SLUR in the past 2-3 months they would probably not be on the team anymore
relicsong
relicsong
one or the other
kirichux3
kirichux3
would like to add that theres more screenshots of pauze saying more than just racist remarks, quite literally the f slur used, within the past 2-3 months
relicsong
relicsong
or if we dont punish people for the stuff they say behind the scenes we need to repromote uan
where is the consistency and why can some people just get off scott free
idgaf if it wasn't seriously meant
also im ngl going back to the pauze cs chat logs, if uan was punished and forced to resign for what he said behind the scenes then pauze should as well
liathecat
sakura.eve i’ve been curious if sending a demon before the weekly would be the strat
liathecat
ive done this with a small handful of weekly-core easy demons and nothing happened
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
but i haven’t tried yet
i’ve been curious if sending a demon before the weekly would be the strat
liathecat
incidius So timing doesn’t work for demons?
liathecat
seems to be that way from my experience
liathecat
liathecat
just brute forcing sends on demons until they get rated works extremely reliably save for a very small handful of edge cases
incidius
incidius
So timing doesn’t work for demons?
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
otherwise they aren’t included (sometimes)
you enter them into the lottery by sending them
that’s determined by RNG
yeah but you can’t get those rated by sending them
liathecat
liathecat
for demons idk where he grabs those from
for non demons yeah
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
but a majority of the time i think rob is like “time to rate levels today” and just autopilots into the sent tab
basically robs system is completely random
incidius
incidius
Okay I’ll start doing that for my legendary/mythic sends
relicsong
sakura.eve the way the system seems to work 99% of the time is rob just seems to check what was recently sent, ...
relicsong
ye seems to be this but sometimes he does go from some other filter cus ive seen random ahh levels from page 86 of sent get rated
sakura.eve
incidius Hmm so I just need to hold off on my sends until an hour before daily?
sakura.eve
that’s lowkey what i do
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
you know, when you wanna send an old missed level instead of your own level :sealJAM:
incidius
sakura.eve the way the system seems to work 99% of the time is rob just seems to check what was recently sent, ...
incidius
Hmm so I just need to hold off on my sends until an hour before daily?
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
especially during autonick waves
so realistically send count doesn’t matter at all, i do think tho that send db is a very useful tool for knowing what levels are getting missed
kirichux3
kirichux3
lots of people thinking that rn
so its not Just rob targeting send-db or something
IMO
say that your bot also got disabled
you should lowk clarify that on twitter
sakura.eve
incidius Idk my point is more that if we don’t want ppl tracking sends, we need more transparency on how the ...
sakura.eve
the way the system seems to work 99% of the time is rob just seems to check what was recently sent, so amount of sends don’t seem to matter, it seems to be based on how recent you sent before rob started rating
kirichux3
kirichux3
wouldnt have been an auto-ban
kirichux3
dashty So about this whole bot-ban thing, my own personal bot got banned too, so it’s clearly not some spec...
kirichux3
makes sense then yeah, he probably did some sort of bot cleanup but he did manually do it which is what I assumed
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
yeah that makes sense
relicsong
relicsong
At least gives some form of consistency here
Oh that's actually reassuring to hear eventho it's unfortunate yours was banned as well
dashty
dashty
So about this whole bot-ban thing, my own personal bot got banned too, so it’s clearly not some specific issue with this particular tool. Probably just RobTop doing a bit of cleanup on bots that hammer his API pretty hard, or maybe it’s his way of keeping shady bots from spamming comments and stuff
incidius
incidius
Idk my point is more that if we don’t want ppl tracking sends, we need more transparency on how the rate system works. I have been a mod for 6 years and I still have no idea if amount of sends actually helps at all when it comes to getting rates
relicsong
relicsong
knowing rob there's a high chance bro doesn't even know the bot exists 😭 🙏 🥀
yeah im more on the side of it being automated/unintentional
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
in 2028
so probably will happen again
tho i’m kinda believing the theory it was autobanned
which is why i think someone will just replace the bot anyways and maybe next time we don’t ban it cuz it’s not harmful at all
i just also am ehh cuz idrk how we’d fix the ban
but yeah incidius i feel super ehh about that cuz i dont see anything wrong with a bot that tracks sends
relicsong
relicsong
GN starr
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
good night
just.starr_
just.starr_
:ay:
3am
anyways i gtg sleep
just.starr_
relicsong https://tenor.com/view/silly-gagged-stan-twitter-twitter-gif-gif-7603835994469049930
just.starr_
i love this gif lmao
relicsong
relicsong
hello. i will be nitpicking every word you say
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
checked mod chat and now that all the other mods are off i can casually give my takes without 10 different people nitpicking every word and making me lose my mind
relicsong
relicsong
oh that crisp 9hr diff
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
i was playing factorio and just lied down
1:22
relicsong
relicsong
for u
isnt it like 3am
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
oh spark is here, time to go to bed (edited)
relicsong
relicsong
good mor-
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
idrk what we’d say about it as well if we were to address, just messy, no point, and doubtful rob will reverse, rob isn’t known for reversing decisions, super uncommon he undoes what he does
and just let these bots run their life, idrk how much it matters to like, make a super massive deal over cuz someone will replace it, for as long as this rating system exists people will hyper fixate on the send count of their levels and someone will make a new bot to see
or hell the original dev will probably do that
here’s my hot take: let someone else make a replacement bot
kirichux3
kirichux3
which, good luck
yeah just need rob to talk about it
obviously could be smth else but
like it just sends One request to the server per send, while other processes like GDBrowser have done much more
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
the problem is rob don’t talk to us so we don’t know if it was or not, unless we do and i missed that
kirichux3
kirichux3
it sends significantly less requests to the server than other things
pretty sure it wasnt autobanned btw
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
“yeah it wasn’t intentional but we wanna keep it banned”
i say no because it sounds like everyone wants to keep it banned (which i’m like ehhhh about) and it’ll just fuel fire
incidius
incidius
Well could we also have transparency on whether this was an intentional ban or a mistake 🙏
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
and almost restated what he said and was like “he doesn’t know for sure tho”
agsilver.
agsilver.
linking so others can read
I keep seeing people blame RobTop \(and somehow Mods??\) for this\. 99% this was automated and was likely cloudflare automatically banning the IP, as this sort of thing has happened before where it sees a large quantity of repeated/consistent requests coming from an IP and flags it
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
lowkey i just saw the same tweet
agsilver.
agsilver.
seemed the most plausible to me
I saw kiba bring up something on twitter that made sense and i assumed that was just the case
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
i think it’s super likely it was autobanned and not intentional, i’m not sure if it was mentioned in the discussion earlier
incidius
incidius
I’m not really a fan of the senddb ban. It feels like we are silencing the rate system critics rather than actually being transparent or changing stuff. Like if number of sends actually doesn’t affect rate chances for some levels, please could we have an explanation why and more clarity on how the system really works, so that ppl can stop obsessing over send counts 🙏
tricipital
colon i used to be stuck in the mindset of "everyone with common sense knows im in the right so i dont hav...
tricipital
exactly man
zhenmuron
polarbeahr And drink
zhenmuron
my boy jose and i having a talk rn (edited)
imdrane
imdrane
gl
imdrane
whizkid05 I'm barely gonna be able to function in the day lol
imdrane
damn
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
godspeed
whizkid05
whizkid05
I'm barely gonna be able to function in the day lol
It is currently 4am (edited)
Today I forgot to stock up on more sleep meds and ran out
Also side note
Take care
colon
colon
speaking of i need to finish my vid since i wanna get it out tomorrow, bye folks
surely 2.209 soon
itll come back with time
but i just havent been in the mood to play gd recently outside of recording footage for yt
looking into req streams and bookmarked my req form so i can get to it faster
in all fairness i havent sent much lately but im trying to get back into the swing of it
wulzy
wulzy
i think everyone should stop worrying about a modpocalypse or being kicked off for handling something suboptimally or just a misunderstanding
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whizkid05
whizkid05
Look as long as you own up to your mistakes, realise what you did wrong and actually learn from it that's all you can really do. Some people aren't gonna forgive you and they don't have any obligation to, but as long as you're trying to become a better person that's the main thing that matters.
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colon
colon
i kinda live with this fear that im gonna wake up one day and just "discover" im a really bad person because nobody had the idea to just tell me i need to do better
i understand dw
wulzy
wulzy
just to be clear colon, i don't disagree with you posting your own responses. i'm just adding my own perspective into the conversation, like in general, not to combat yours
colon
colon
means a lot to hear that from you i sometimes fear the elders are like conspiring me to kick me off the team after causing such a diasater but i'd like to hope if you have any problems you're comfortable talking them out with me directly
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
glad u feel better man
my image needs to be cleaner
but i do recognize that as one of the faces of this team
colon
colon
i feel better now though because i cleared up all the big misunderstandings, but its easier said than done for an issue like yours where a lot of really nasty stuff was said
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zhenmuron
wulzy hard disagree with this personally, i decided years ago that i don't care about people that don't tr...
zhenmuron
ye i kind of feel this way in general, ultimately i only am friends with those who i am friends with and i think its unhealthy to want acceptance from the community at large sometimes
colon
zhenmuron this is also like a secondary thing but im honestly kind of worried about some of this boiling up an...
colon
dont worry! this year is the lowest ive felt mentally probably ever and i cant think of any correlation to gd-related issues that would cause that no sir
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
I worry it would instantly DQ me
if a school checks my shit and immediately sees all the insane gd stuff
its not hard to connect the dots on who i am
and i talk about gd in my apps
im in the middle of medical school application cycle
wulzy
wulzy
hard disagree with this personally, i decided years ago that i don't care about people that don't trust me and navigating the internet became easy mode
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
like
this is also like a secondary thing but im honestly kind of worried about some of this boiling up and effecting me IRL rn
gecko4
gecko4
that’s not some light minor mistake (edited)
and you shouldn’t expect a good response given you are being (rightfully, given context) accused of being racist towards chinese people
colon
colon
you know yourself best so you should be comfortable backing yourself up
gecko4
gecko4
responses are met with backlash no matter how good they are if you’ve done something bad but in the long run they serve as a monument people point to when the claims come back up where people can now say “this was already addressed” and it will turn more people to your side than staying silent
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
ye fr
colon
colon
i used to be stuck in the mindset of "everyone with common sense knows im in the right so i dont have to do anything" but it just ends up in a bad position where the hate spreads and nobody backs you up
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
i wish there was a platform besides twitter too like i hate feeding the twitter drama machine (edited)
but we will see
im so busy rn i dont know that i rly can
yeah idk
colon
colon
the people who spread the most hate about a person are always the ones that have never bothered to actually speak to them
at some point i had the realization that making a statement about things against you is a good thing actually because otherwise they're just gonna go off what feels like a giant game of broken telephone
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
Great
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
that is the plan 💪
gecko4
gecko4
all u can do is better going forward
so if the actions are racist you'll be labelled as such
actions speak louder than words in cases like these
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
sorry lads
like those who know me know im not some racist loser 😭 and i wanna make it clear that i am not that
wulzy
wulzy
i sent that before i read up
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
a little on defense mode sorry abt that loool
that is fair
ye
sakura.eve
polarbeahr What they gonna abbreviate advisor to
sakura.eve
you can do advi styled request streams instead of mod styled ones
wulzy
wulzy
to be 100 with u
wulzy
zhenmuron wdym
wulzy
its just funny u keep hitting the "Sorry you feel that way" type response when i think people here would appreciate less deflection and a simple apology and validation for their concern
geometry_dash
gecko4 pauze's messages *are* racist whether he meant it or not
geometry_dash
i dont agree with it at all ye i was just restating replies i read on reddit and twitter (edited)
gecko4
gecko4
should be apologised and do better in future
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
sorry as well for those of you i have made uncomfortable by these actions
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gecko4
gecko4
it's bad
colon
colon
ok lets be real people are gonna keep saying mod
gecko4
gecko4
pauze's messages are racist whether he meant it or not
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
das why i said it 😭
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
yeah im sorry for saying stupid shit like that and sorry for not making that more clear hahaha
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geometry_dash
geometry_dash
and highkey it was 50/50
colon
colon
vis is cool
geometry_dash
gecko4 why are we saying this
geometry_dash
i was reading the replies to the posts
colon
colon
'visor
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
😭😭😭😭
Advi?
colon
colon
advy
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
What they gonna abbreviate advisor to
gecko4
gecko4
why are we saying this
gecko4
geometry_dash pauze lowk i think a lot of ppl will side w you
gecko4
bro no 😭
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
People abbreviate moderator to mod
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
wdym
wulzy
wulzy
bro apologized for the drama and not the action 😭 pauze just fuckin man up and say that bro then we can move on
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
well
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
at least 😭
polarbeahr
polarbeahr
Bruh
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
anyone who has played cs will
colon
colon
in general i prefer when issues are solved by adding or reworking instead of just taking things away
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
pauze lowk i think a lot of ppl will side w you
zhenmuron
zhenmuron
sorry for all the drama it will cause 💔
juniper
juniper
im distracted rn but would love to go into more depth on my thougths about the advisor change when im not split minded
zhenmuron
ravingrafters I mean, with all due respect, that's not a valid excuse imo. Like, I understand that rage happens an...
zhenmuron
yeah it def just a cheap move to piss ppl off, obviously not going to happen again
whizkid05
whizkid05
Promoted to shadow mod
geometry_dash
geometry_dash
shadow mods
lowk rob could 'demote' every single mod and then just bring them all back secretly
gecko4
gecko4
inevitably, if we stop announcing promos, someone else will do it for us, and im sure the promoted mods will make an announcement about it too, so i really don't see what removing the messages would do honestly
colon
colon
we already have
sakura.eve
sakura.eve
if it fails we can always fall back on shadow mods