#discussion

well yea thats why it wouldnt work lol

have you sent it to robtop yet?

You're amazing!

yeah i cant think of anything either

[Nice level!] [Fun level!] [What is your email address!]

what would even be the set phrases i cant think of anything that would be of value😭

so its SLIGHTLY wider but again, it wouldnt work for this game

i actually kinda like the idea of set phrases that you can send to people and then they can reply with set phrases too lowkey

now this might look like the tiny gate you can walk around from earlier with the exception that kids have to actually know how to navigate the internet

now you can verify you're over 18 and can type whatever

it was phrases like this by default but you could go into the settings for your profile on the website and verify you're over 13 and then you could type whatever in the whitelist filter

w101 had a kinda funny system but it wouldnt work for this

im trying to be realistic

i dont disagree with you that ideal world systems can work. but rob will never implement these or do the proper steps to support them

genuinely if you want to keep messages the only thing i could think is like a Club Penguin system where theres select phrases you can message that cannot be edited or deviated like "Hello!" and "Who wants to take the arctic plunge?"

everything else is workable

i remember wizard101 had something similar

this is the only actual point that shuts this down imo

No more hyperbole allowed!

eight million (edited)

how many featured levels do you think there are 😭

until someone makes a new one

ok manually removed in 5 seconds next issue pls

yes most actionable but its very possible to make work

and then ban shit like asstral virginity

Great lets message children to hop on Loli Party

congratulations we now have eight million additional words

if featured add level name to list

the best most actionable action is to simply remove private messages

its a better option than we have now

or users

actually fuck that

so any random words people might use to bypass filters doesnt work

until rob is paying elders full time i cannot in good faith say we should be responsible for child safety over the whole game

what makes that game work is it doesnt have a word blacklist is has a word WHITELIST

You make a good point

roblox has 132 million daily users

i spose the difference with roblox is pretty significant

yes roblox is bigger but gd is not managable by a small team like this

atp why even have them

gd has over 30 million accounts registered and 300k+ people playing daily

i feel like it’s extremely easy for people to bypass though

we are cooked

roblox has way more players and communication though

new 2.3 update! adds ai moderation

okay, so we make the comparison list an external file that maintenance or elders can update with reports of messages going around it

roblox PAYS 3000 real people FULL TIME to moderate the heavily filtered messages. gd has <20 unpaid volunteers. lets be so fucking for real

What if DMs only had "default options" that you can select? Probably not the best but it's an option

Remember our situation lmao

string matching isn't that hard

how

im with you

this is preventable tho

if a system exists people will not only break it, they will fail to understand it

yeeeeah

and thats not actionable

im living in a fantasy world where we can make this right and working

well, you're right there lol

its not our responsibility to tell a kid what's right and wrong but we should enable their ability to report it

okay but this is assuming that the children will be smart enough to report the messages (they wont be)

Let’s be so real here between the options of - Massively overhaul messages and moderation - Delete messages Which do we think rob has the bandwidth to do

we cannot rn

discord is not reading your dms unless someone reports them

moderators of the platform are able to see messages between people ingame? thats not a privacy concern thats like every messaging platform ever

there are not proper tools to moderate messages so they shouldnt be in the game

i think not lol

id rather just not have messages at all

well i think we'd find reason to keep it if we were able to view messages between people

ok but we dont need to keep it

Honestly, if we have to censor every little thing, then do it

well im saying even though theyve had hella problems with it they still find reason to keep it

filter is so hard because it either is easy to bypass or it has to be like roblox where they censor every little thing in the world (leading to a million false positives) and i dont like that (edited)

for this kinda thing

i think its possible to moderate and even make better use of as an ingame way to contact people

“Wulzy (at) Gee mail (dot) com”

make it work

Filter doesn’t work

I’m crying

filter

100%

they cannot be moderated so they shouldnt be in the game

we should go back to the early 2010s where age verification was basic math questions 🧡

as for increased comment cooldown i dont think its a bad idea though i dont think rob wants to limit the ability for community chatting beyond making sure people dont spam slurs

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yea it is putting effort into something that ultimately can be easily walked around

it is a gate that is about 1 inch wide for a 30 inch barrier

it is at least a small gate

i dont think we should collect that

def not always the case

At least I would as a kid

its worthless without strict id verif

It should at least stop a few kids right

people already have trust issues with rob storing emails

agree except dm age restriction because it never works

From coldest to hottest take I believe we need Stronger filters for dms - filtering emails would be ideal, but is difficult in practice as it’s easily bypassed - or restricting dms unless someone is over 13 (can we even do this? give birthday when making account, then restrict? not perfect, but ideally 8 year olds don’t lie about their age?) Stronger moderation tools in game - don’t know how long this will take to get though, lmao. Strengthen in game reporting. Automate some of it. Not as sure about the logistics of this * Increased comment cooldown on levels. 60s? 150s? This nerfs daily chat without killing it outright? But I still believe we shouldn’t be encouraging people to use comment sections as chats.

no 😭 no no

i will never understand how gd mod came to this

Actually fire tho yea

yeah

can just say in announcement that it is something we have considered for a long time

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🗣️🔥

i think phone verification should be a bare minimum

Good idea

That would be way better

like how when u get the iphone password wrong too many times it locks u out for a bit, scaling higher each time

I don’t think anyone is angry enough that GD has been used to facilitate the exploitation of (AT LEAST) two 8 year olds.

This is the most important message in the channel right now

Parental controls are very useless in gd yeah

I think gd profile dms could potentially be readded later when more moderation tools (like dm reporting or email filtering) are implemented (edited)

Fixes that could improve child safety: - Limiting comments per level to 3 comments per person (to kill daily chat and any private chatroom levels) - Removing gd profile dms - Removing the ability to comment on unlisted levels - Comment filters to auto remove anything that contains an email address - Better parental controls and a parent password system so that children can’t easily disable the restrictions (edited)

that good and very easily disabled

And tbh the news article bringing awareness of this will probably inadvertently attract more criminal child predators to start using gd for grooming (edited)

Yep looks like it is :/

Hopefully we get some better tools for it

I put it in to protect the team from “Yall shoulda done this before a child got preyed upon” or smth

@Subwoofer they using ur icon

crazy

?????????????????????????????? apparently this is them

will do

just removing the ''for years now'' part and its good

"mods have already been making him aware of fixes"

kinda makes the point of the message to scape rob rather than inform that these are issues we are aware of

cool ty

Ye

can i acknowledge the case in the message since that's what i'm directly replying to? "mods are aware of this, it’s up to Rob to prioritize and implement fixes and such and mods have made him aware of fixes for years now and continue to do so" (edited)

The truth basically 😭

I was gonna say exactly this u got the words out of mouth. If needed the update could be pushed back a bit to focus on doing these security changes now, but it's not my call to make obviously

You can just say it’s up to Rob to prioritize and implement and that Mods have made him aware of fixes to years ago and continue to do so (edited)

PR wise that would be an awful look if we said this

this is how they worded it to me

I think at the very least message reporting would be beneficial

happens

I blame work

the convicted sexual abuser

Nvm I’m stupid

@Ryder dyt i could share that it's being talked about or nah

for apps of this scale where the target demographic isnt exactly a secret it couldnt be more important

Update content and things like more mod utils and better security features are often things that go hand in hand not something you sacrifice one of for the other

Id sacrifice a month of waiting for a new gauntlet if it would be for the better game and players security

Specifically in this case they moved to emails and theres no need to post an email in messages at all so intercepting all ingame messages that contains an email could help

i mean i dont think anyone's surprised this stuff is happening given the lack of moderation being brought up a lot over the years but idrk if he cares enough to fix it (edited)

glad hes gonna be in jail for a while 🙏

Good

yeah this is new

The conviction is new tho

really vile stuff

I've kept quiet on this whole moderation thing cuz nothing I think hasn't been stated before and I don't wanna act as an echo chamber, but DashTY's new tweet really disturbs me and I felt that it's good to bring awareness of the severity of the lack of moderation: https://fixupx.com/DashTYGD/status/2089818325387972933 https://the-baltimore-county-courtroom-observer.ghost.io/florida-man-gets-16-years-for-sexually-exploiting-twin-baltimore-county-boys-he-met-through-online-game/

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we don’t need creators getting bombarded with a ton of hate that’s unconstructive,

tbh we just shouldnt tolerate hateful comments

it’s just make 1 problem worse in exchange for not fixing the problem you want to fix 😭

it would still decrease the volume

^^

most people do not care enough to hate that hard

will prob stand by that at least

if not they’d dislike bomb your entire account

i promise you they’d move to another level

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It is but its just piss easy to evade

it doesn’t feel like a thing icl

but I also just think giving the creator the option to not let ppl comment on something is not that harmful

Just to clarify IP banning is already a thing but the rest yeah I would agree

i really can’t seem to stress enough how much removing something isn’t going to fix the problems. Yall keep saying to add insane cooldown to daily weekly, or to disable comments or remove them or whatever, that isn’t going to stop the problem, they will move elsewhere, that’s not going to make it go away, the only solution to this is for rob to make better tools, all other quick fixes will just make the problem worse because we won’t be able to easily track them down anymore, + we’d still have bad tools. At the very least if we get good tools and ban people and they decide to move elsewhere, at least then we’re hunting them down with good tools. seriously the only solution to all of these problems is better tools so punishments stick, as it stands right now commenting on a level “this level has horrible gameplay you should kill yourself” won’t get you punished hard enough to stop that behavior, we need IP banning, better blacklists, better report buttons in more places, more elder mods, automods that time people out for saying aforementioned black listed words instead of just blocking it out, we don’t need to experiment to see what works because other platforms have already tried and failed to just remove chatting, we shouldn’t ignore how it treated them and actually add good tools to the game asap, like it’s incredibly important, more important that 2.21, 2.209, the next event level, gauntlets, like this should be top priority and being worked on right now. Rob needs to get these done before he gets sued cuz it’s only a matter of time (edited)

like making it so u cant read comments without an account and u need more than just an email to register

id love this but imma be real i dont trust rob with my phone number 😭

Thats what a dev is supposed to really do. Make changes to make the game better, if its a much more negative impact, then revert the change and try a different approach

True sadly

and not to actually go after

dont feel like that changes anything about threats tho

Tygore idea was pretty good, make it so you can't comment more than like 3 times on the same level everyday

and i think you're underestimating

u overestimate some ppl

they'll see the comments blocked and know that its getting under your skin and will try to do it more

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it still will mitigate stuff

if they're already to the point of typing death threats then those will move elsewhere

and what i suggested would mitigate the comments a sizeable chunk

nah

bandaid solution imo

would still reduce the amount of bad comments

will still prevent some ppl from doing it

if this level is blocked then it will just pass on to your other most recent level

i feel like it will just cause the hate to move somewhere else

...like verified phone number being required

but i also think daily/weekly should either get extended cooldowns or straight up removed comments, since theyre already levels that rob has to endorse

Camera movement are pretty bad imo and orbs are poorly placed

this is less abt the public comments more abt the private ones a lot of which are death threats

i found the level perfectly fine to play & super consistent once learned too

the current weekly has negative comments because the gameplay is unfair and buggy. Removing all comments will make the creator less likely to make an update with a fix

because that prevents the other issues

also I think ppl expressing negative opinions on levels is fine as it pushes creators to fix stuff that's broken or bad in their level

like 😭

Getting daily or weekly is a curse

ignoring the fact theyre both great levels on their own and its just a skill issue 😭 its ridiculous how popularized this behavior is

I can get why people are frustrated but it is also a big skill issue IMO

Cuz you said it was intentionnal or smth

Yea I saw people making fun of you on twitter for no reason because of that

it was actually v+p reviewer to mod

For regular mod

Possible ig

What about like a GDS staff to comment mod pipeline?

i agree

pretty much exactly what i said to someone this morning yeah

In an ideal world I think having 3 fully individual roles would be great but we still need a pipeline

The issue with elder imo is that without knowing the person first we can’t judge whether or not they can be promod

Filter stuff and automation def could use work tho, I like the idea of some LLM application for certain stuff

This is what already exists, one for level suggestions (advisor), one for moderation (elder mod soon to be mod), and leaderboard mod

Just finished reading a super productive discussion that touches on several areas of an overarching subject of great current importance 🥹 I hope that something comes out of it 🥹

Yea

yeah thats true and even if someone were to it would be way easier to stop i think

Nobody will make an alt account every 3 message

I lowkey think making smth to limit messages you can send on every level would lowkey kill dc or any way to chat ingame (edited)

tho i think that would be easier to handle if someone were to do that

I agree

simply

yeah daily chat is gonna kill every gd moderator but who cares bro you all are talking about some weird things in there and bypassing slurs why should we care

I am personally of the opinion that it is our responsibility to do whatever is necessary to keep people safe, even if it makes them upset

Probably lol

😭

But the workload would be way too much 🥀

without greater tools being made or implemented

ye

so i highly doubt anything would happen

idk if anything is set in stone but i dont want the opinion to seem unanimous

i think it seems like it would come with more implications than it actually would have

But yeah I do think the game would suffer a lot

Yeah tbh I really can’t think of a better solution 🥀

@DashTY just wanted to say i appreciate your post spawning this well-needed discussion whether or not something of value comes out of it. its something i have been personally ignorant to because its "how things have always been" but it doesnt mean they need to be

the game should be . the game . and the person-to-person communication can happen elsewhere

or quite literally commenting on peoples levels

and that is on those highly regulated platforms to handle

sure in a perfect world we could have a safe social community but we aren’t in a perfect world

some collabs between 12 year olds is not worth that tradeoff

same here, though i also used to be fairly active in daily chat but nowadays i would have no problems with that being completely removed 😭

Yeah I used to do this stuff back when I was a noob

i have a 12 year old brother who plays gd and i see him do all of these things actively, i get why private messages need to be cracked down on but it would make me really sad to see him lose all of this

it is a massive problem on the internet as a whole right now that children are losing more and more online "third spaces" where they can exist freely and safely, as a result of the rise of social media. a game should be a safe place for them and not a possible place to be targeted. children are simple you dont need advanced functions to keep them invested. the game itself is more than enough

Idk I just think there isn’t a good solution

the internet is just SO unsafe for kids these days and i definitely think if we can somehow keep kids from interacting with internet stuff for safety for as long as possible, then that action should be taken

when i was like 13

i definitely did not make my friends from gd messages thats for sure

I think that is a more than valid sacrifice for keeping the game more safe

asking for trouble

yeah that too 😭

idk if i want kids making friends through gd messages

all of these could lowkey just be done through comments

ultimately they could still coordinate in comment sections

Key things the younger audience of the game would lose if private messages were removed: - collabs - making friends - being able to get their level out the recent tab (not just through mod requests, ppl share their levels with normal users to gain popularity and feedback)

Which they are better equipped to handle

once the og game shut down

also lowkey you should need like 2fa if that ever gets added or some kind of extra verification to be able to do use any of the social things if that stuff isnt getting removed (edited)

i just think about how when i was a kid and i played Club Penguin, it had a chat but the default mode was preselected terms you could say. like you could only say specific things

Messages should be only available for Mods imo and that’s just so they can’t say they have no form of contact

well in terms of roblox apparently it doesn’t 💀

yeah i want this whatever moderation system to not be as horrible and overboard as roblox is like but also in a way that keeps everyone safe from any bad actors

i do not think the game's popularity will be at odds with removing messages from the game lol

if i had to comment smth that was 12 characters over the limit of the bigger box and had to wait 10 minutes to add the extra characters

if i had to comment smth that was 12 characters over the limit and had to wait 10 minutes to add the extra characters

especially when you want to fit more than fits in the box

1 minute is fine

idk i would find that extremely abrasive

i disagree

i think a 5-10min comment limit just makes sense

i agree in terms of comments, messages i can see as an exception since we literally cannot moderate at all and realistically kids do not need to be able to privately message strangers (edited)

okay i just thought of the craziest idea that would be really funny but mods that take gd message requests could upload a level where the comment section is dedicated to taking level requests and maybe there could be a feature to open and close the comment section like someone mentioned 😭

all the kids are on insta or tiktok or whatever. they can find community there

the problem is its not a social platform. these children should not be having this community

Removing social features like private messages and daily chat would really suck for most of the community. Like over 50% of the community are too young to be on discord and they lose pretty much all their means of expression, which might actually significantly impact the game’s popularity

true

they can comment that on your levels if they really need

they ain’t need to message strangers

if it was like world of warcraft or something itd be different

but like

there is none because the game is a game for ages 4+

i do like the nice messages i get, it’s sweet when someone comments how much they like your level, or the icons you make

I actually can’t really think of a good solution

then its discords problem or whatever

somewhere harder to moderate

I suppose it doesn't hurt

otherwise it gives an incentive to move elsewhere

okay but theorycrafting an optimal solution is still positive

that makes it easier for elders too

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i think gd messages being removed makes sense since we can’t moderate them and it’s just an avenue for predators to take advantage of kids

Tbf no matter what we say or do things won't change cuz Rob

with the roblox thing i surrender my take given theres proof but i stand by my points about anything unmoderatable not being in the game

that’s why i said usually

i be thinking about the hair dryer ocd story

i still think the easy solution, the quickest solution, that’s usually not the right solution

idk ive put in my two cents

👀 lowkey a cook

its probably easier to convince rob to remove stuff tho rather than fix moderation or make a bigger team (edited)

yeah its annoying in that way too

so they cant be found thru comment history

kinda tru

like realistically this shouldnt happen 😭

i’m gonna miss 50 level request, 2 messages to keep myself safe and 1 person being like “i love the wave you made :D”

but i think the messages arent the problem its highkey rob not having a robust moderation system

they are unlisted

waaaiiiit

realistically anything that cant be moderated probably shouldnt exist

but i’m not sure about the comment stuff everyone saying still

i think it would be the most beneficial

this is what im sayin

lowkey, i think i wouldn’t mind private messages being disabled, even tho i like to read my messages since its literally unmoderatable i think it makes sense

filters would do more heavy lifting than 20 people, and 20 people adding to the filters would over time fix so much shit (edited)

phone number required to comment could be nice too

but theres only 20 mods...

so when things are actually bypassed elders can fix

i think rather than chat filters something that picks up possibly problematic chats on an unlisted level and forwards it to a chat moderator

like i said and ill say again, itd be great to have a blacklist that elders could actually edit 😭

i think comments should have shadow filtering and private messages should just be disabled tbh

for real

ofc

at the very least we need some actual filtering that works

the erp levels and chats and stuff would be less of an issue if elders could like actually have the tools to deal with it

i was more or so comparing it because it had the same method of grooming

and definitely lead to the worst things

well roblox is an inherently social game i dont think its fair to compare like that

i just think at the very least restricting private messaging or removing it entirely could only be positive in this case

“this solves the problem now” isn’t usually the best solution, and could backfire

who knows

i agree, i think it’s better for rob to make a solution than to suggest bandaid fixes

ik my takes seem contradictory i just remember what happened to roblox when they tried restricting a bunch of stuff and it made problems worse, i highkey dont want us to risk the same problem

i think limiting # of comments is anti-user

maybe the comments could be hidden under the actual daily tab, but the level on the servers could have this rule

that’s highkey annoying as hell 😭 whenever i patch a level i comment i did so

or something similar

i said earlier that realistically we should have a similar number of mods to elders

messages are rougher

and then we can have elder apps

ye but a team of 20 people definitely isnt handling the situation if its super spread out among a ton of unlisted lvls

there could be all the tools in the world, a team of 20 people is not handling the situation

rob has to do it 😭

even with tools

yall need better tools

its not happening

ye

but we cannot effectively moderate

its still better to have moderation rather than removal

anything

ye but i think

gdbrowser

ppl would create mods to immediately spot it

this too

shadowbans are more effective tho imo

maybe just me

the bad actors will find a way

accounts are made at a breakneck pace

you said it yourself

elders dont currently have tools like shadowbanning, ip banning, etc (edited)

id rather it just not be a thing at all

i just dont understand your logic here. if elders can do this whats stopping the people from taking the road less travelled into more private spaces anyways? they see they get boomed in daily chat they will move somewhere else.

i think its up to whatever rob thinks is right, realistically this is elders + rob's territory

its not like we can fix everything in one swoop thats just unrealistic

rather than if its all behind closed doors its impossible to see

tbh why are we even focusing on small unlisted level chats when daily chat is the biggest problem affecting the most people 😭

I think sink’s right

it increased them 😭

yeah bad people will do bad things but we are limiting it as much as realistically possible here

restricting the entirety of chat in roblox didnt reduce grooming cases

but itll be a lot harder for them -> less people are at danger

theyre gonna find another way to get ppl off of gd and onto telegram

if we have one crazy person going around messaging people its way better than them influencing a popular comments section

the people who are doing the grooming know geometry dash is a good target demographic

herd mentality is real

how

i also disagree

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harder to find means it will naturally decrease in frequency because less people will be exposed to it and join in

and more terms should simply be blocked from comments

Wait you can comment on gd lite?

like “hey you want to join this other space” on some kids random unnamed 6

it will not decrease in frequency

i can see people going from daily chat to just, commenting on every recent level for example

but it will always happen

if the most someone can do to convince someone is to comment on their level then we have exhausted all the options we can and problems should happen way less

idk why it does like you cant even comment

cuz daily is also on gd lite

gd isnt used to like fully groom people its used to get people on to other platforms

but that would be significantly\ less frequent

if not messages, then daily chat, if not daily chat, then random levels

if theres no where to interact the problem moves away from gd and into places that Should be more regulated

idk like i feel regardless there will always be a method of getting kids into bad situations as long as there are comments

there should literally be no point of contact through gd to where these children should be receiving information

having children interact in a chat that can be watched 24/7 is better than having children get a dm to some random unlisted level first

i just dont understand how

the cool social features of the game are a core part of the experience, and the community (especially at this scale) deserves to interact with said community safely. the fact that we havent had a significant update for elders to moderate without jumping thru broken systems or yelling at a wall for things to be updated is simply gross negligence from rob

i highly disagree

if its not obvious to children theres a chat, its better

yeah but i think harder to find chats will always exist. for every thing out in the open theres something hidden. but cutting out whats out in the open is removing what is possible to remove

maybe we can make the comment button on daily level hyperlink to GDS

that didnt exist when elder was first created

roblox restricted chats to certain age groups based on id verification, which essentially made the chats harder to find and in more niche spaces. in roblox's case tho its probably all ai moderation tho, i was more making a comparison that necessarily deleting/restricting doesnt always solve problems (edited)

yes we need real moderation in any capacity

Can you elaborate?

had the idea of ppl being able to report other ppl messages and then elders could view/ban

little kids wouldn’t even know it’s missing

i want to put my 2 cents in like highkey i dont want gd to do the stuff roblox is doing like banning chats and removing messages bc that highkey made the problem so much worse for them

just remove the button

rob makes it so you can’t message people by default, would be nice if that same default made it so you can’t message people yourself by default

and if ur 13 atp you should be on a platform that isnt gd messages

Yeah wouldn’t fix things completely but might catch a lot of the really bad stuff

i think messages are valuable but not at the expense of safety

unfortunately many children susceptible to this stuff wouldnt click it but as long as one does if someone is messaging multiple people this would be massively beneficial

Oh yeah I was meaning the private messages

theyve been a thing for like 11 years its fine we just need the tools that literally any other game has

i dont think messages need to be a thing in the first place

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A report button for gd private messages would improve things a lot

cus rob aint doing shit

no indication a message failed

if the messages are bad

the problem is theres not many real filters and the ones in place are easily bypassable

if you're talking the messages written on the profile then yes, if it's the private messages then no they can't do anything

Besides, people can 'block' other users anyways

if someone is messaging a ton of different people stuff that is actively getting picked up by filters, that is an alert

exactly that 😭

individual user activity could be filtered

cus bad profile messages means oh just keep deleting

but in like any platform with private messaging theres not much that can be done about this besides filtering certain words (which should be done)

i also think its wack that a commenter gotta have a comment on a level to be banned in the first place lol

like theres already nothing we can do about preds messaging literally every account ever

And how do people find eachother?

Can elders actually moderate profile dms at all? (edited)

i mean this should be removed too 😭

itll be way less obvious to those most in harms way

Eh it might but I think it could do the opposite. Ppl who aren’t able to chat in daily could start chatting in profile dms instead

like, yes ofc if the daily chat is gone people will go elsewhere. but it will be much more difficult to, and reduce harm significantly from the get go

for sure

30s, 1m, 2m, 5m, 10m etc

This is true but cracking down on daily chat would make profile messaging less common no?

exponentially growing cooldown should fix that

Or follow ups, like that can wait likely

not just slurs

Delete and repost imo then

Incase people wanna make follow-up comments for feedback or they accidentally made a pselling error

I think gd profile dms are a way bigger risk than daily chat (edited)

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But that’s a theory

this has always been a problem and its all on rob to actually give elders the right tools

If it’s hard to find the number of of potential reports would ideally shrink too

Who tf has a revelation about what they want to comment on a level within 5 minutes

im sure many came before me too

if we cant find it you expect these children to?

i know my time as elder and even after i was advocating for a simple blacklist that elders could collaboratively edit but yeah never happened

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at least daily we know where it is

but thems kids

People will piss and moan and either migrate to other levels or migrate to gds

forever cat and mouse game of finding where

like I agree

Stitches rather than a band aid

they’ll just move to a different level

you do realise that a majority of the kids in daily chat arent allowed on discord

but realistically what more can be done

But it’s more like

i feel like removing daily is more of a bandaid fix than anything

I actually wonder what the community reaction to daily chat death would be

Chat in GDS 😭

this solves the issue of 'daily chat' entirely. Exponentially growing cooldown on comments to avoid spam (edited)

We are agreeing I think I just think that it’s important to remember the comment section of a daily level is the comment section of a daily level

Unless he changes his mind 😭

Either we gotta beef up moderation there specifically (which is extremely difficult) or crack down on people using it for reasons it wasn’t meant to be used for

weekly is atleast less bad

tehcnically

it Is a comment section yes

that’s why i’m using the word

it honestly seems very frustrating lol

juniper because it’s technically a comment section,

like if ur level becomes daily GG ur comments they’re cooked forever

its irresponsible to not atp

people are commenting on a level thi

thus they shouldnt exist

we don’t have the resources to moderate gd as social platforms need to be moderated

no it’s not “just how it is” people use comments to leave one off messages about the level, daily chat is actually used as a chat, even tho it’s “technically” a comment section, textbook definition of technicality

ever since it was put in place, its loooong overdue

its a game

but it didn’t

and those should get nuked respectfully

so cracking down on that realistically should’ve happened way earlier

That might make ppl chat on those “chatroom” levels instead

but yeah the chat should get exploded atp

i’d argue people have been misusing the comment section for years

oh i see

that’s not a technicality tho that’s just how itnis

but it’s not how it’s been used for years

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what technicality

there that is again, using the technicality to pretend something is less than it actually is, either way i’ve sent my piece and i hope the backlash is less than i expect it to be

in those levels

that I agree with

and comments that include statements such as "message me" or whatever should get filtered

The thing is it's not "daily chat", it's comments. They can be accessed from anywhere like genuinely what else is daily chat

Jakalem maybe

nobody will miss it if it goes away

I agree yea

if you can only comment once or twice you wont be engaging long enough to form some connection with someone on the chat

Tbh I don’t think rob will do anything about improving child safety in gd unless he’s forced to. But yeah I agree that the roblox child safety lawsuits show that this should be something he really is best off considering

it has only led to pretty harmful consequences

like nobody be chatting in youtube comments

robtop should stop working in 2.21 for a second and use his branch build to work on safety tools instead of us suggesting this bandaid fixes

i’m not saying we should kill it just that it’s tough it’s gotten to the point where it’s treated like a chat when it can’t be properly moderated like one

Imo there should be a maximum amount of comment you can send on a level, so no more ingame chat

well as it currently stands, every little thing that happens in daily chat is directed at the mods, and i personally don’t want to see what would happen if we just out of the blue decided to kill daily chat cuz it was “never a chat just a comment section”

like i’m pretty sure having any sort of ‘chat’ feature in an app with a predominantly child-containing audience requires obedience to specific safeguards and regulations

okay supposed to be not by rob but the community made it that way and it’s been that way for years, the community wants it to be a chat, working off of technicalities that will upset the community isn’t smart

I think the real grooming issues would be with the gd profile dms feature which is completely unmoderated (from my knowledge at least) (edited)

i think the comments section should be a COMMENTS section… we aren’t able to safely/appropriately moderate a chat with the tools in game rn

is it really supposed to be a chat, or did the community decide it should become one

and can be more regulated

and they’ll target it at us not rob

it’s supposed to be a chat, i don’t think the way we solve this problem is by killing daily chat

Agreed

Automod and similar solutions could also be useful, but the important part is getting Rob to actually consider them

u dont need to comment that often

Maybe increasing the cooldown for sending comments could be a good step. For example, 15 -> 30 seconds for rated levels, and 15 -> 1 minute for dailies/weeklies/events. Also adding an account age requirement for daily chats could also help prevent troll/bot accounts imo

start interviewing people for mod

Literally nothing I can do to stop that unfortunately

like hes the one getting sued if something goes wrong

i think the problem is more that ppl get groomed

parents clearly trust that GD is just a single player platformer, i think they would be more cautious and educated about actual chat rooms

The single most accessible level at a given time

i dont understand the argument that they will just move to a different chat because at that point it stops becoming our or rob's problem

right, so we need automation, but we can’t control that because only one person can implement that 💔

Tooling first, more people/split roles later would be ideal

ye cus every time someone gets banned they just make 3 more accounts

we can’t change the culture of chat

Still looks like a dent hasn't been made in the quality of chat tho 😭

I said this earlier but splitting up the roles now just to add more Elders won't help nearly as much as you may think

i can be a homeless shelter for daily chatters

bad idea imo

ok true

They're in a public place that can't be moderated 🥀

i agree with deleting daily chat being bad idea, they'll move somewhere private that cant be moderated

not that middle schoolers opinions dont matter but like they will eventually grow up and realise that we were right

Yall gotta stop using Twitter been saying 😭

Heyy 👋 I wanted to follow up on my tweet. First, on the advisor rename: I wasn’t aware it was a thing. Either way, mentioning it in the tweet would likely have breached rule 4 in one direction or another, since it isn’t officially in place yet. On the substance, I’d just say the role structure isn’t where this starts. The overwhelming majority of what gets through should be caught automatically, before it ever reaches a person. No way of splitting the roles fixes that. RobTop is the only one really in a position to decide what the structure should look like. For what it’s worth, I’d see three roles that could exist separately or be held together: one for moderation itself, one for level suggestions, and one for the leaderboards. That would make the whole thing a lot more modular. You could bring people in where they’re actually needed, without requiring them to meet rating standards to help with comments.

i mean the ppl who would be upset would all be middle schoolers and also it would be rob's fault anyways

people direct that hate at us cuz we actually reply when poked enough 💔

Either way it doesn't matter cause he doesn't want to 🤣

elders already get a lot of hate for just banning people

Think they did that to themselves already

i don’t think deleting daily chat would make people like us very much

rob should heaven ban daily chatters

bro just do it

Autonomous or not but preferably autonomous

ok ryder it was nice to have you here

Volunteer work is fine but the second it becomes volunteer for a role

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Still not allowed...

no you'd be an unpaid contractor 😄

😭

i dont know how it works over yonder

Cause my actual job would count it as employment at a game company which isn't allowed

nah i still feel like you guys dont even get the fun labor of just sending cool levels, yall are doing the work that ppl get paid for and its kinda weird and exploitative that you dont

Growing and whatnot

Honestly if Elder was a paid role no one would do it for longer than 3 months LOL

maybe a stronger word blacklist too

Yes which is why we need more hands to do the moderation but we cant get enough 💔

automod is needed for a fast-moving chat like daily for sure

Yeah but the pace of bad stuff would still vastly outnumber the amount og moderation that happens

it’s so over

Rather than “Hey this guy is spamming the n word” you just kinda .. ban them

I don't understand why rob isn't using his insane fortune from the game to at least hire people to do important moderation at least, not even talking about hiring devs or anything

Even before hiring tho, he just needs to make more tooling

Things would at least be a bit faster/smoother most likely

wonder how many problems would be solved with “rob should hire people”

If everyone here got Elder, next to nothing would change

rob should pay ppl lol

But yeah I agree you gotta be trustworthy to be elder -> mods are trustworthy people -> but not all trustworthy people are mods ..

With how big GD is now and the current system Rob would need the equivalent of a paid content/platform moderation team

I mean daily chat isn’t even supposed to be a thing like the community just invented that

meant to be a reply to tygore ^

but yeah idk, i think we should have more elders in general and the current candidate pool is a little small haha

they had Custom Moderator back in the day wtf

gulp

They gave that shit to BOTC...

Lmaoo

And that was also bad LOL

the fact you have to refresh for each message is insane 😭

We used to have unlock update for all advisors, and it went pretty bad so it has been moved to elders only

i think during a comment section into a chat was a mistake and rob should’ve highkey made a daily chat or smth

But that's controversial

Automod would be great

i think daily chat needs to go 💜

Other than just not existing 🥰

I think the biggest thing daily chat needs is just tooling or some form of automodding

I think the elder role itself needs to be improved a bit more before thinking about adding another role

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The very first entry to smth

idk im just spitballing ideas

It's just a show of skills and and who you are

leaderboard mod - stats and leaderboards moderation elder mod - comment sections and profile moderation advisor mod - level suggestion and level updates/unlist bugs

Well I said an app isn't gonna make me trust you 😭

i mean wouldnt more elder mods solve the issue without creating new roles since chat mod itself isnt rly a lot more trust than other elder responsibilities

that’s why i said that’s what apps solves, when you can’t think of someone personally it helps find someone else, im confused why this has turned into a circle 😭

That only solves like half the problem, cause we still have plenty of NSFW levels and such

yeah just deleting comments & banning players from doing so etc

Just moderating comments?

just taking the chat mod parts from elder

What would another mod role even be?

why does elder need to be the end-all-be-all for every extra permission above sending levels?

Plus just not a good look for the game to even enter that state

4 is not a lot

we dont need 4 different in game roles

All their level deletions, all their allowed updates, all their relistings, artists allowlists

but for chat (edited)

i think we need to separate elder and chat mod as roles

honestly yeah this would work

Yeah but Mod needs a less level of trust and also that's others. I meant myself personally there isn't anyone I can think og

if they go rogue all their false bans can just be undone surely

just like how gds does things, why not have a trial phase for elders in game with limited stuff idk sjfksfj

people people vouch for trust in people

trial elder mod

An app is more like a "get to know you and your skills" type thing

An app isn't really gonna help me establish trust in them tbh

elder can be an amalgamation of mod, chat mod, and exclusive elder abilities

What Silver said

i mean elders also have unlocking level responsibilities + unlisted bugs (edited)

solve that problem with apps just like with mod, we get a lot of mods lots of us don’t know of cuz of apps finding them, i also kinda don’t see why elder should be held at this super high trust pedestal, kinda see it at a similar trust level as like staff in gds, slightly higher cuz it’s the game itself and there’s more responsibilities but it’s a chat mod at the end of the day (if we remove sending levels as part of the job)

The only two I can think of I know don't want it 😭

i’d honestly think it should be super similar numbers wise of mods and elders

the problem is that there’s a very limited number of people who can be elder cuz of that, that’s the reason i think they should be separate, cuz with how big the game is there should be a lot more elders

beyond just reporting things

true

^

a pipeline from gds staff -> elder would probably not be too bad

it would be a small upgrade but perhaps chat mod could be an elevated trust level of either mod or leaderboard mod

its kinda weird to me that this route doesnt seem possible from lb mod straight to elder

even if to be mod you need to give good enough feedback on levels

i definitely think there should be some separation, and honestly this might be quite a spitball idea thrown out, but if this is done can definitely look for other elder candidates outside of just the mod team, for example, the GDS staff team, like this is more of their field and could be more suitable for ingame moderation

I agree with this, but the mod->elder pipeline is severely restrictive of like how many people can be elder and we honestly need more people moderating chat/comments than we can get with this structure imo

ah i getcha

which is just, fundamentally different 😭

no sense in elders not having mod perms either

at least in my eyes

i get that point though

I would generally agree but Elder Moderator is a lot of trust, like VERY much that Mod -> Elder Mod is a good ensurance of that

bc only 17 is tough

but it is still a very slow funnel given you need to get mod first yea

like atp i’ll offer to write the code he doesn’t want to write for him, hire me :3

i really hope rob prioritizes chat safety soon

i will say that reading dashty tweet even tho there’s some just, dumb points that you should know better about, like the fact we’re gonna be “advisors” soon, reading there are only 17 elders is lowkey insane i didn’t realize, there should be a lot more

I do think it should be public information regardless even if it isnt for that

yea thats harmless

without listing who’s on it

Id imagine how many nonsense reports for not sending levels mt would get

I feel like if a non-mod does have an issue with a mod, they can just dm another mod about it to help bring it up

Prolly yea, although sometimes it's faster to dm maintenance to get the problems solved, some problems would need a discussion which is more likely to be done by regular mods

Yea I agree with subwoofer on that one

Which we've done quite a lot of recently

Including who used to be in it

guh

😭

genuinely like

i think its almost bizarre how the discord server has more auto moderation and safer environments than the actual game itself sjhdjshd (edited)

as unfortunate as it would be its also entirely on him lol, this should've been prioritized a long long time ago

wayyyy too slow

💔

He been slow though he knows that