#discussion

(i was messing) ((idk what those levels are)) (((they probably extreme)))

The 2 uncompleted are WORST IN YOU and Nothing Left

“fav plats” \2 uncompleted just tell me you’re a fake fan 🙄

What are the best like under hard demon plats from this year? I'm prob missing a bunch

my main favs list is too crowded

LOL

next year i'll separate my classic & plat favs

Found out I added this to the wrong list just now

All the plats I like are rated now except for one but I don't think it'll place in the "plat" categories 😭

Gauntlet results are out now so I think we could do it soon if we say no gauntlet levels can be suggested

so everyone get to sending and advocating for your favs!

i assume he was waiting for gauntlet stuff first so we probably get it soon

I think we should all request monheim

there's a level I've been waiting to suggest for ages lmao I never end up being online when these happen

Next autonick suggestion wave when 👀

That one is fire

I gotcha it's the same for me too

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Lowkey how is that not rated yet lol

my fav of this year might still be Next Stage

yeah that's fair im just saying it's a lot more than last year for us

i need to start saving my fav levels of the year i always forget

I mean you have many people adding levels I'm just me lol

in 2025 it was 500 from the whole year

we have 500 levels already in the yearly smr ranking sheet

2026 is such a good year so far

W year for levels

imitator

my top 4 is funny cus its 2 epics, an unrated level and then a mythic after

That’s a big bar

me 2

the ocean of fish is my fav level all time

i think what fries me the most abt this is the 0% jury on kocmoc unleashed

the ocean of fish will show up yea

like almost guaranteed

i really love that this tweet will happen

truth nuke

LOL

lowkey just this but replace ocean of fish with princess demon https://x.com/spycoldy/status/2039761394950709754?s=20

gormuck reacting as if he has enough friends to reach the limit 🙄

and the friend limit will be increased too

Gonna add this here too. The radar did a similar fan judging (which included mod judges) and it ended up placed at #4 (edited)

i can hope

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im sorry to burst your bubble bro

Bro thinks its getting rated (edited)

giga cope

hey at least it might get nominated for best advanced classic 2026 👀

but the hitboxes popping up is hype

world without robtop

i think the level is awesome and probably should have been judged in the top 50 considering the quality of some other levels in the top 50 that being said the level is very different than the kind of levels we were judging and personally im not sure it would have made it to the top 10 or even honorable mentions if included

i had to watch it twice and then fully play it to like properly understand it

yess

i like how they become sawblades and monster objects too in other frames here

That is very clever

it's so good

that's probably my fav part

TRUE

"it shows how big of an impact killing RobTop has on the world" is crazy ooc

also this part where (in level story terms) robtop controls your game to try to trick you into thinking the princess is dangerous via the hitboxes you're familiar with

i was talking about slow burn levels and i fell for it at a bit when i started watching being like “this is the level they’re upset about?” but by the end im a huge fan

it's so good because it shows how big of an impact killing RobTop has on the world since he ran it all before you kill him

i just watched the level and it’s super cool yeah

it is a very cool level

ts crazy

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this part being done with 2.0 limitations is so insane

lmao yeah

I love the part where breadking just flexes how good they are at 2.2 effects in the one background for honestly no reason

it's a perfect representation of what gd used to be back in 2.0 it's insane

i have a personal list of my favourite releases of the entirety of 2026 and i placed it at #7

i value storytelling & thematical representation heavily and for me the level does that stuff better than most levels in this game, along with staying incredibly faithful to the style of 2.0 levels it recreates, while incorporating modern polish in some effects, combined to make it a firm mythic send and my personal winner for the contest

Sorry I’m doing the screenbreak now

and very good execution of the theming

I caught note of the super sad story

ryder screen break

What is it about Princess Demon that made it a legendary send+

i think everyone would benefit from a 15-30 minute screen break where we go outside and ponder our thoughts in peace and optimism

On a completely other semi related note

yea i mean i dont rly care that it didnt place in the gauntlet i care that it didnt get judged which was most of the discussion (because there could be other victims of not getting judged too, not just this gauntlet but potentially others)

lmao true

i see what you mean tho

rude true, baseless not really

ive just been looking at this conversation and honestly i know the level is like super well loved in the community and ive just been kinda optimistic that maybe rob sees that the community really loves this level and might consider putting it in a different gauntlet, kind of like that radiation v2 level. cuz princess demon is a very very very acquired taste level just like things like ocean of fish, lovers sadness, etc so i get why its not in the gauntlet. i can just see a world where rob puts levels that people really like in another gauntlet which is why im not knees on the floor or anything LMAO

I played every level lol

tbh

how it plays visually

Bit of a rude and baseless accusation

I'm a hater

considering gameplay is taken into account how would they rate gp without playing

Even I played them when I judged 😭

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i would hope the judges play the levels

Ok this is just not true

Judges always have to play levels

Yeah it’s not gonna change anything so why do it imo

half of the judge team don't even bother to play them ingame anyway so it shouldn't take too long

my opinion is that judging around 100 levels instead of 50 isn't too unrealistic and would make it more fair. hand picking 50 levels for 20 of them to be awarded seems like a very small pool for a contest as big as this

that too

i think there were a couple different discussions happening over each other

I agree that adding a significant judge time for a level that would place isn't worth it but it's not like judging 10 more level is gonna change anything

i think the argument was just getting a bit frustrating people kept on resorting to the "level wouldnt place anyways" argument when the argument was just for more fair judging to be happening. it was like missing the whole point of what we were trying to discuss. I do apologize for getting a bit heated myself but it was really frustrating when people wouldnt address what we actually wanted to talk about 😭

thank you

with 7 judges sure but if there were a good amount definitely not

Well that was my main point, as I’ve been saying I don’t think adding significant judge time to shift around anything beyond top 50 and probably even top 20 isn’t worth it

literally no way of knowing without judging

🙏

thank you

maybe the conversation would be more productive if people didn't respond with "it wouldn't be top 50 anyway"

I know I havent responded to anything, which is largely due to me being busy, but I have read most of the convo & seen the complaints. I'll bring it up to Rob and try to improve the prescreening process

because that cycle repeated like 3 times over

so then why are y saying the conversation is round in circles? u got some insights

it wasnt insight it was basically just a simple "not happening"

2 weeks for 10 levels is kinda crazy i'm ngl

this was not contradictory i was explaining why i felt completely brushed off

i agree

Imo

i'm tired of everything being done in the shadows when the concerns are actively being discussed

which is it

Because I think they are

sure they werent a part of this one but they have experience

Nick is probably seeing this conversation and looking at what is being said and working on ways to improve the system

my point is there's people who have done judging in the past saying things are unrealistic to implement

And the last time I screened was Discord

like we just aren’t involved

ive never said anything about the us president so i must support him

I don't think anything said here is being brushed off. Ultimately everyone arguing is being too hostile to get anything done at this moment. At least that's how I see it

And I’ve been prefacing some things with imo

we aren’t judges, we can share ideas and thoughts for improvement but we can’t expect change in 2 hours

because nobody familiar with the system has said anything about them

how are you sure they’re being ignored?

multiple potential solutions have been offered and seemingly ignored flat out by people familiar with judging system

not the issue

and it’s been so full of hatred that there’s been nothing productive :(

there has been no time for anything to happen, it’s been about 2 hours since this conversation started

No oh my god

im ngl 😭

i just don’t think anyone is saying “too much effort”, i think they’re saying “this is unrealistic”

what's even the point lol

because youre looking in modchat

we're always told to voice our concerns and when we do nothing happens

In this case they have 30 levels of buffer between

no point

yeah lol

Knowing the screeners tho I promise you it didn’t make it for the simple reason of it just wouldn’t have placed anywhere near top 20

yeah i see a lot of happy people /s (edited)

seriously wondering if it's ever worth bringing up concerns like this if it's always walled off as "too much effort not happening sorry"

which people seem alrdy happy with (edited)

i have said many times that i do not care about this one particular level, i have problems with the potential dozens of levels that aren't being talked about that didn't get judged because of a limited screening pool that decided it wasn't good enough, this one level just is the big controversy cuz it happened to have a lot of high sends and a lot of people liked it

not comparable

different issue

no need to wait for him

you dont have to do everything by the book if special circumstances pop up then a judge can leave judging

then you got only 19 judge which is fine

people always mad

then what if things take longer than expected because one of the 20 judges got in a car accident

if you publicly announce "contest over, a lot of good levels so judging will take about 2-3 weeks" you solve the issue

because yall are asking for 2 week delays because you found one level that got missed out on

bro it's a contest for RobTopGames, that guy is not known for getting things done fast

Everyone is saying its fine but community nearly died when Rob didn’t even post the news post about the results 😭

the update isn't even ready lmao there was enough time to judge more levels

yeah because no public date was announced after contest end for a solid week

people are impatient

so many people were saying hurry up

no?

It taking time is a pretty big concern tho 😭

i’m seeing “that’s impractical” which is very different

fr

i felt like i was the only one feeling this it's driving me insane

We are hearing but deadass none of us screened this

i’m not seeing this

we are gd players with a button that some people don't have

ngl

we aren’t judges

It didn’t have a chance tho

yeah no really fucking annoying

Beyond Top 20 is just not important (edited)

the legendary send argument is funny to me because who do we think we are 😭😭

and thats what maters

but this isn’t a mod contest

every criticism levied at this system is just met with either "well that would take time" "that would take effort" "why do we fight so much"

at least it had a chance

thats okay!!!

And especially given the levels aren’t ranked now

idk 😭

So it woulda just scored less anyway…

again who would even do that lmao

realistically like

would that be that big of an issue?

But not potentially two of the screeners who are also judges

i'm really trying to keep this a respectful conversation but i feel like nothing i'm saying is being heard

i think the idea of judging all legendary+ sends is fine but does that not then also run the risk of people adjusting their send standards to get a level judged

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it does

Well I think that with rotating judges it doesn’t really matter

its crazy absurd

realistic number for this contest is prolly between 50-100

yeah I honestly don't get it

unlikely though

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its annoying

if there's 300 potential legendaries then yeah sure

idk the issue is being danced around

it shouldn't be

again

And if you’re waiting for +10 people to potentially judge 300+ levels (edited)

i mean is it really that crazy to want a level that is at least legendary send once to be judged

i worry that when judges start to judge too many levels, what counts as a 1-10 gets really muddled and inconsistent

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screeners shouldn't be a thing aside from removing troll entries and there should be at least 20 judges imo

there is no way there was only 7 judges

It’s not always 7

7 judges is not enough

Oh

every legendary+ sent level

Every level??

screeners 4, 6, 5 other judges 10, 10, 10, 10 the level has a 7.8 average

why are we so afraid of effort and time spent? like are we lazy or what is it really?

that's what I'm hearing from this conversation

okay good judge for an extra 2 weeks as long as every level gets a fair shot

screeners need to exist in some way. Ultimately they just need to be more lenient I guess

yeah but then what, all this effort for very minimally adjustments to results ?

Thats why

I’ve been trying to say that removing them wouldn’t fundamentally change anything about the results except add more time to judging

Its cause nothing will change about it

this conversation keeps going in circles and the core issue of screeners as a concept isn't being addressed

I like that we had one day without bickering and now we’re back at it

sorry caps 😭

my entire point has been results can surprise you, but by having a screener prematurely disqualify a level before every judge gets a chance to see it isn't right

the in game list is top 50

TOP 50 ISNT ENOUGH

as a judge

The level didn’t show up cause it didn’t make it to the top 20

but we all know it's not what happened

remove screening, add MANY more judges, judge all legendary+ sent levels

Just throwing numbers

if the level didn't show up in the video because it didn't make it top 50 then it's fair (edited)

Basically the level probably shot from 230 to maybe 70

NO MATTER how long it takes to judge more

again how do you know it would get a low score if you don’t judge it in the first place

the point is to just have it be judged fair

Removing the screener thing doesn’t really change anything except add more time imo

its fine to not show up in the video, thats really just not the point

Like it did now (edited)

Then it wouldn’t show up in the video

Sometimes stuff gets sent for mythic and rob goes “ok… why”

i believe there should have been at least 20 judges total because 7 is way too little and in that case the 3 screeners not liking it would have had a much smaller impact

Top levels all usually have unanimous 8+ scores

who cares if it get a low score (edited)

It already woulda had a low score

and we dont know because it never got judged

this isnt guaranteed

And added several more days to judge time

Look at journey

its knowing that levels are getting judged properly

Yea idk rob ignores mythic sends all the time

it would have had a fair shot at getting judged like the rest of the good entries

that it would actually have gotten a chance

They probably woulda tanked the score still too

yeah

judges/screeners to be more clear

the problem people are having is that the "screening" ignored many legendary/mythic sends because they personally didnt like the level

Last public judges one

yeah ik but what would the judge be flaming for ?

The last contest I can remember is the Discord one

i was responding to someone asking for the list of judges

the judges didnt do anything wrong

whatever your opinion is we gotta tone it down a lot

judges aren't the issue here

I was about to say things are way too hostile right now

ye don't release the judges

Idk if it was 7 btw, also going historically

there's.. only 7 judges for the entire contest?

honestly if you stand by your opinion you should stand by it publicly

if i had judged this and filtered it out i wouldnt wanna show my face rn lol because this is extremely hostile

the level has more than 3 legendary+ sends

:/

prob not bc they’d be getting flamed rn

Yeah prolly

reitterating this cuz i'm curious

given how well-received it is publicly

3 people not liking it is fair but ignoring what the rest of the mod team say is insanity

you do understand how ridiculously small the number 3 is right

i think based on these statements tho like this was just Not getting $100 or $500 (edited)

It wasn’t in the contender for that

Money in this game should not mean much

Well we know that potentially 3 of the judges didn’t like it

I have been saying this over and over and over and over

you involve money and suddenly you have a reasonable outrage

anyone have a link to the playlist on lock?

people are talking about it so clearly it hasn’t achieved nothing

and you don't see any problem with this?

Some arbitrary non top 50 number

just didn’t qualify (edited)

no the screeners didn’t think it was top 50 in this contest, that doesn’t mean it’s not worthy of anything ever

Like this level got number 230 or smth

those are the only levels that were put into the judge's pool

To me it’s no different than if a level just didn’t place

yes, hence why the levels shouldnt be left upto roughly 3 people (edited)

the screeners should probably include a higher range of tastes to avoid certain styles from being insta disqualified

top 50 playlist on GD spotlight youtube

exactly why it should be judged then?

Yeah, if it got a low score from those who screen/judge

is there a list of all the judges from the contest anywhere or is that private info?

standards are subjective tho

So the community clearly wanted it to be judged

sorry doesnt matter 3 people said it sucks so it's not worthy of anything ever

It’s just not nearly as large as the total entry pool

ignoring legendary+ sent levels is bullshit

Just going to add that the level is currently rated as #22 of all time on hyperbolus

The number has changed

It’s not always 50

imo*

the pool of judged levels should be however many levels reasonably require judging, hence including all legendary sends

i cannot understand why this system is being defended

Demon Princess prolly got a 4 from Rob 😔

no contest require screeners

so an entry with these top comments can be shoved away for nobody to see because the one or two "screeners" decided it was bad?

like you can’t objectively grade art

that’s great but princess demon is not of those 😭

is judging in an art contest not … vibes in the first place

its a contest tho this is how contests work

And also the entire contest

Literally yes

Like 1.0 levels

Well the vibes are usually obvious

but a couple other people have it in their top 5

5 people deciding what the contest should be is insanity

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how do you know it’s not going to place if you don’t judge it in the first place (edited)

A couple people here said that it wouldn’t make top 50 or even 100

that's great news

It’s not really “pick” rather it’s levels that aren’t disqualified or levels that give if a surely not gonna place/can’t place kind of vibe

so including every legendary send is a reasonable request

i truly believe a screening should just get rid of nsfw/non-rate worthy levels, everything else should be judged even if its a star rate roughly

i think it is a bad thing to have such a small portion of people be able to hand-pick levels for judges

exactly what i was thinking

also yea

I have a problem with the concept of "screeners" as a core idea

I was initially skeptical of the 1 leg send instant judge but i do think it makes sense

changes nothing rly

Rob + prolly AutoNick and someone else

don’t even think it’d be past 100 too

Why should "screening" be this tiny portion of the team when we all have voices and opinions to share? Why is it that likely less than 5 people determine the entire contest's voting pool when there are 80+ mods all entrusted with sharing their opinions and many liking different levels to each other? If it were changed to 1 Legendary+ send = put into judging pool, maybe that would end up with 100-200 levels. So what? That's 100-200 levels that at least one trusted community member believes worthy of one of the highest praises in the game. If that's not enough to at least consider it in a contest hundreds of creators poured their hearts and souls into then I have lost a lot of respect for how the contests are ran at the top.

and now we got people politicking their submissions

the gd awards were infinitely better with the introduction of judges, i dont think the community should be involved with gauntlet contests like this

doesn’t rly solve the issue of “hidden gems” either bc a hidden gem wouldn’t initially be popular

community fav will be a vortrox or waboo level so idk about this

i mean in the end then the community can only be mad at the community for having the wrong "community vote" winning XD

its an art judging contest how are u not gonna have discourse

true

but it would bring the community into it a bit which is nice

what doesnt cause discourse nowadays

still would cause discourse though maybe (edited)

lowkey i kind alike the idea of 1 of the 10 being a community favorite, that does sound kinda cool icl

based on what i've seen in gd awards

I agree

but its a community favourite that people can pick

extremely true

they would think they were tho

idk my hot take is that results should be public

they wouldn't be picking the winner

i don’t think community poll is a good idea

it’s legit don’t try to innovate and do like the rest is

i think just judging any leg sends is a great solution

idk

I don’t think including legendary-sent levels concerns that many levels where it would become a problem

results were fine i'm just disappointed that "screening" is an extremely small handful of people handpicking levels they like when the game has so many unique styles and ideas where people will never like the same types of levels

i worry that increasing the pool still leaves the door open for this same situation (we’re still screening levels, if someone’s favorite gets filtered out the issue persists) while making it outrageously more difficult / time consuming for judges thus decreasing the pool of people who can judge

but the point is just fair judging

I'm currently playing protect jimmy I legit think this level is feature worthy but I would be mad if it wasn't even judged

results came out good imo

exactly

the judges didnt HAVE an opinion on princess demon and probably other potential legendaries too

was judged and had a fair chance

yeah

yeah

yea (edited)

that’s how you guys sound

if people lower their standards to send entries for legendary they'll place low either way so who cares

idk

why would anyone send a bad level for leg only to get destroyed by judge in a contest

easy to not be aware it’s being abused tho

wont matter

you signed up to play these levels

if i send a level everyone calls feature for legendary to make it into judging it'll just place last

if its 250-300 then so be it

i wonder what should happen to abusive mods

refusing to judge a level that had legendary sends feels like it’s intentionally done because of some selfish opinions

its realistic if given the time and a proper deadline where results take a little bit longer. Idk if you arent prepared to play these many levels you SHOULDNT be judging

easy to be abused though

i agree

i agree

maybe just me

like i had 150? for good kid contest and everything blended together real quick

I think it’s a matter of opinion to the screeners but I’m pretty sure as long as a process like that exists (which it needs to exist because if the sheer number of entries) a level like that has a low chance of making it

like i sincerely think that talking about what princess demon did wrong or right lowkey doens't matter to this discussion, cuz to me i'm frustrated that levels got excluded at all that didn't break rules or were obvious trolls or whatnot, like, actually levels by people who tried just weren't judged for arbitrary reasons

i agree everything should get a fair chance but like how realistic is it that judges can play through and properly judge, idk, 250-500 levels (edited)

every single judge missed the best part because it wasn't even considered anyway

but thats not the point, the point isnt how good or bad it is, whether you understand it or not, the issue is the fucking screening and being curated into a small list. That shouldnt be how something regarding a subjective art medium should be viewed. This game is so vast with styles and things people enjoy, every level should be given a fair chance at judgement.

the coin route symbolises taking bribery in order to side with evil over doing the right thing and fighting back against the system, it all ties into the theme of the level

like you can miss the best part

who cares about the coin route 😭

the coin route is 2.5 minutes of genuinely actually no gameplay

i want to make it clear that i don't particular care about it fucking over a specific level, i'm complaining because i think there are potentially some underrated gems that could surprise everyone with how they impact judges, like personally some of my favorite levels nowadays don't get higher than feature because rob's favorite style isn't my favorite style for instance, like this isn't about princess demon to me, this is about levels getting excluded because a smaller selection of screeners (who based on how i've seen things work in the past, all probably have similar standards to begin with) decided not to include it

if great levels arent even getting judged then judging needs to be a longer process to allow more levels a chance

I usually am understanding of these kinda debacles with charming levels especially nostalgia pilled levels like this but this is way beyond me this time I just don't get it

i’m ngl i played it and it made me understand why it didn’t go through even more which is what i shared earlier (edited)

very very true

But to my knowledge the screens do have rotating screeners outside of Rob and probably AutoNick

yea level I sent for feat got top 20 aswell it doesnt matter at all its all just opinions

just cause a level isnt "good" in your eyes, doesnt mean it shouldnt be judged

it's kinda annoying to see so many people here clowning a level they didn't even played

ngl

people can have opinions you disagree with

I’ll admit I don’t see the vision of the level

very

rude

What can ya do

That’s true, but I think if you’ve seen a total number of entries (this probably has less total entries) you’re gonna run into a point where you’re judging way too many levels and it takes way too long. Plus, compared to previous gauntlet levels there’s usually a “updated” for lack of better work, look/feel to the levels that ultimately get added

MYTHIC????

all the way through

LMAO?

not the point of the argument here

i dont care if this level landed last on all the judges list it wasnt even on their list to get judged

it was not even judged at all so like

the "result" was maybe 3 people out of the entire team not liking the level and thus not even putting the level forward for judging (edited)

it wasn't even considered

again that's not the issue at all

popularity contest for money is

its a competition sometimes the competition yields a result you dont agree with

Have the community vote on a top 50 then judges vote on them

even if it takes an extra couple of weeks

top 1500

there should be a fair list with all the levels for judges to judge

do you really think the level would be making this much of an outrage if it weren't even top 50 for most people?

yea

but there are many here who would have it in their top 50 (edited)

?

Because it definitely wouldn’t make a top 50

there should just be a bigger list of levels to judge

1 person saying it should be judged -> put onto the judging sheet

creators are given half a year to pour their hearts into their levels and tons of them aren't even seen

why should a level for a contest not be judged?

more ppl who screen level

it's a good entry why wouldn't it be included

and why shouldn't it be included

I don’t really see how you would change it to have a level like that included

if judges are only judging 50 entries out of thousands there's an issue

at least for the future

yeah I get that many people are not fan of this but it's really not the issue

100%

ngl

LOL

it was many people's winner

So it doesn’t surprise me that it got unlucky

we have many mods here vocalising that they like it enough for leg/mythic

It wouldn’t make it past me 😭

you can not like it but you can't ignore the many people who do

Even if I was on this

mhm

yes

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yes

Is this the level? https://youtu.be/We4738mceng?is=gBBHYq4Xa4NRi5LY

its just fucked to me cause its a shit ton of money involved, i would be fuming if i found out a level i put months of work into for a contest doesnt even get LOOKED at

surely a judge would've realised its missing and spoken up about it

but here they didn't even get a say

right i understand now

cuz thats just what the judges said

i see

it wasnt even put into judging pool despite many leg/mythic sends

idc if it got #512 overall, i care it wasn’t even judged

i thought this was about it not getting top 50

because it didnt make a "top 50" list for judges to judge

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yes

yea

it was not judged

oh it was excluded entirely?

for me the fuss is about certain levels getting excluded cuz the screener doesn’t like it, could be completely different results depending on who was judging

im confused

whether you think its not epic is fair but this is just Not what this is about

It’s done like that surely for the interest of time

i lowkey don’t think anyone cares about updates not being out atp, we’re all used to no updates 😭

thats not really the point we are making rn lia

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no hate its a bullshit way to judge

i just watched the level and to me its like high feature/low epic im not really seeing what the fuss is about

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bruh i'm so dumb I thought the elephant in the room was the update not being out yet

knowing how the judging system worked has massively disappointed me in how things are ran i'm gonna be real

most entry are barely epic worthy and this one got many leg and mythic sends

no level should be left out just because "oh we have a cut of 50 levels"

i can’t lie i’m seeing a lot more people accusing rob right now of dodging the elephant in the room (child safety)

that was a small example, i truly believe the more levels are judged the better, even if the process is longer, i genuinely think that every level deserves to be seen by judges unless its something like nsfw or troll like sakura mentioned

if u ask most people here lmao

yeah

arguably

how do you know its not a top 100

it's def top 100

i mean, what if it doesn’t get judged because it’s not a top 100

thats the core issue

i get we are waiting on an update so there’s ‘no rush’ but people get impatient and in-depth judging of 500 levels is yikes

again its different if it doesn't place the top 100 after being judged than it not being judged in the first place

creators get 6 months to build entry but the whole thing need to be judged in 3 days it make no sense

i think its crazy if judges arent judging at minimum all potential epic entries

entire team needs to be redone if thats the case icl

what if princess demon didn’t make the top 100

i think screening should just remove nsfw and troll subs, and like obvious levels that would never be rated, and they should be played all the way through even if it looks shit just to make sure it’s not a slow burn that turns super awesome (i keep saying this cuz i played a level request recently of a level that looked really bad for 10-15 seconds and then turned into one of the coolest levels ive seen and i ended up sending for epic). cuz it’s super realistic that a level a screener doesn’t like will be liked by a lot of judges

make it 100

what is the alternative

i would expect better from the system

i agree it’s a shame but

at bare minimum

if that's what happened it's crazy unprofessional i'm ngl

ngl that is a massive disappointment

which is tbh fair you kinda be pretty open minded to get the vision and when you’re screening 1000+ levels you don’t really have that open mindedness after a while

that a level like this can get missed

yep

Idt that needs to be communicated tho

so I presume the people who pre-judged just didnt rly see the vision of the lvl lol

Then a smaller subsection gets sent out to the entire judge roster

Yeah I’m saying it was def screened/pre judged

yeah

definitely

if it was in the top 50 i dont think anyone would make a huge fuss

didnt place is different from didnt even get judged tho tbh

idk i feel like this level was very much loved by a large part of the community it's crazy that it wasn't even judged

Every entry gets a screening or a pre judge of sorts

i don’t think so either, but it sounds like some levels just weren’t judged

I don’t really think there needs to be any communication on why a certain level didn’t place 😭

and we spend time here speculating

Probably in the thousands considering many people who just send levels in to send something

its again just problem of not having info

yeah that is fair, but a levels quality should never remove it from the overall pool of levels to go through, 0 reason to make things go faster when a) the video was delayed anyways, and b) rob not even gonna update the fucking game for 5 months anyways

im just really confused

idk how many levels we are dealing with tho

iirc

The only type of filter that makes sense is for obvious troll entries (NSFW, empty) or unfinished/layouts

i mean the levels fate depends on them

lowkey could’ve been what happened bc i saw the first 5-10 sec of princess demon and was like 😦

sorter should be paying attention then (edited)

we only talking about princess demon cuz it popular but what if there’s some unknown gem that just looked bad at first but did something super crazy and unique later on, slow burn levels are very real and alive

again i dont see a rush to get things done, i think every level should be judged, what if the level looks like recent tab just for 10 or so seconds and then does some sick transition but the sorter plays for 5 seconds and is like “okay this one isn’t in the judge batch” (edited)

^

$6000 prizepool is no joke (edited)

ye

its fair to sort, but then you should have a BIG list of levels rather than a restricted top 50

but having judged in the good kid contest it was. a lot of levels. and many should have been filtered out. so it is fair to have some sort of filter

it makes sense to sort some levels I think because a lot of people will submit recent tab quality levels

i don’t think it matters if a level has jank or nothing for minutes on end, that can damage its results in the overall judging

Yeah i thought all submitted levels were judged not 50

I do think it's really awkward if it was just ignored for no reason at all

so obviously not happening

definitely no rush when we are waiting for an update from rob anyways 😭

True but I have a feeling that it's done very strictly IDK

call me crazy but i think that the update the level portrays doesn’t matter, nor do i think it matters if there’s 50 levels that are “better” than it, every submission should be judged, because some random nothing level could mean something to a lot of people and do really well when you least expect it, makes no sense to exclude levels from the judging phase, there’s like 0 rush to get results out

I mean surely there is more data to give than just ids when submitting an entry (edited)

Or that they submitted a wrong ID (unlikely given the copy feature for IDs but you never know)

oh nvm i see what incidius said (edited)

yea

i understand going through all those entries can be tedious, but i personally think that the judging list should be bigger rather than smaller even if it might take more time so there can be a more accurate result. I think missing one or two good levels from sorting is a big blunder. Ive had this exact issue with other ranking videos where they just dont include some levels or limit to a set amount and leave out other levels that are just better sometimes

If all parts were like the last one then maybe

Nope he submitted it twice just in case

I just think the quality doesnt keep up for the most part

Forgot to submit

😭

or they knew there was another path but still judged based on the existence of an empty path

which would be bit of a blunder im ngl

it is not that unreasonable admittedly

Weakest link gameplay wise not difficulty wise

u get hit with few hard jumps at the end

bc at the end of the day you only gotta find and beat the level with one

It had like over 5 mythic sends pretty sure

Maybe lmao but either way i think with 2 paths you’re opening the door to have your level only judged on the weakest link path

I also think it would definitely be worthy of top 50 (edited)

that’s my issue too

def

ngl

Like this was a stacked contest it’s true

If only the top 50 are judged it makes a bit more sense

there is a possibility that it is the Only path that the sorters found or something 😭 (edited)

Like the level is cool I think it’s awesome it exists but it just doesn’t have what is needed to place high in a gauntlet contest

I think it’s crazy it didn’t at least get judged

Yea i mean if i was making a top 50 the fact it has a path where you twiddle ur thumbs for 2.5 min would decrease the score a ton unforch

Cuz a lot of parts looked too jank compared to how it couldve been

which again wouldve been a hidden thing if an ex judge wouldnt just publicize it lol

Ok well if not every submitted level is judged then ngl it makes sense to not be top 50 😭

So im sayin it probably wasnt considered a top 50

Oh i see

ex judge says its narrowed down by some people and the judges only judge that 50 levels that are in the playlist

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Even if it had swag to it

It wasn’t a gdps level

Breadking made it with the 2.2 editor yeah

its what im also just REALLY confused about

There were a surprising number of pretty quality entries

i dont mind if it didnt place in top 20, just, why wasnt it put with the top 50 if it was so highly praised + why wasnt it judged at all

ye my fault for misunderstanding

yeah this was my main point really

its so much less

but ig the concern here isn’t where princess demon placed but rather why it wasn’t judged

idk i think publicizing the votes would just add fuel to a fire that we dont need to touch

it just creates more divide between people

ngl i think its better not to say still

yeah

Other than clarity on results

i mean yeah of course but no reason to stoke it further

Feel like we’ll never not have that

like it’s just more fuel for “wow i can’t believe x got worse than y”

Well sure i guess

maybe but the more i think about it that just incentivizes people to hate more

But theres no theorized profile award for how you place in a gauntlet contest

I think now that prizes are the same for all winners that saying who won 1-10 might not be so bad

just forgotten to submit

yea it is so possible that it just didn’t get properly subbed 😭

true lol

💀

i mean judging isnt necessarily always supposed to be public

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cus this could all be cus the creator thought they submitted the level but never pressed the "submit" button on the form

that’s probably too dramatic

yee

and theres geode mods that allow u to restrict ur palette to a specific game version iirc

yeah i see

cus we don't even know that right now

besides some objects

not really asking for that necessarily, i think i worded it poorly but what i meant was that it would be nice to know whether it was DQed for some reason or it was submitted too late/not submitted

yea i’m just thinking out loud again (edited)

honestly not really i think

yea i saw that too but i honestly thought it’d be a pain in the ass to tiptoe around 2.1-2.2 stuff 😭

because even if it was built on a gdps you can just say you built on 2.2

yeah i agree

doesn’t matter imo either way

which rather implies to me its build on 2.2 with those restrictions in mind

but then does every level that gets dqed get a message with a reason

description says "made with 2.0 editor limitations"

idk why it's kept such a secret

i’m thinking out loud here btw

thats true

are the judges aware of who narrows the levels down for them at least?

i mean the level could have been just built in 2.2 with 2.0 editor restrictions in mind

lmao

😭

i mean ngl i dont blame them too much

i think he even gave a 1.9gdps level epic and daily not that long ago

maybe different if it goes in a gauntlet tho

thats ridicolous and its 0% but twitter just gotta believe everything

and what spark said yeah

and made daily

the level is officially classified as a 2.2 levels on the servers

i mean 1.9gdps levels get rated all the time

its legit what everyone was talking about for a week

could it be that rob doesn’t want to promote the use of people downloading and running previous versions of the game

not that hard

so how is ag saying a judge he knows never seen this level

simple 1 message

It was discussed quite extensively in this server so I’m sure the judges were aware

yeah i dont have any issue if it didnt place, i just want clarity on what happened

yeah prob

then the issue prob wasn’t with the theming

which i argue is a lot worse than this lol

I mean balo exists

hoenstly i’d expect at least one judge to be tapped in enough to know one of the most highly regarded entries and notice it missing from the batch you are supposed to judge…? so surely there is something disqualifying this level that we don’t know of

even if the issue was with the theming, like “do not explore mature themes” as a rule

💀

yea if it was formally submitted it should have been properly judged i agree and i also agree the rules should be clarified more in the future for disqualifications if thats what happened

someone who i was aware of judging saw the level for the first time when i showed them today

its word from an ex judge apparently

It wasn't in the list of lvls when judging

we dont know anything for sure as usual 😺

because i think if it was submitted it shouldve been judged yeah

gauntlet worthy or not, it wasnt even given a chance to be judged

which just wouldn’t qualify

like fights/war stuff like that

I thought the duality was rather the fact that theres 2 sides of the coin when it comes to things like this rather than there being two paths admittedly

I personally think it’s a cool level but - it’s a 2.0 level, which is again cool, but would feel out of place in a 2.2 gauntlet - the way ‘duality’ is explored here is not ideal for a gauntlet. one path plays out half of the level, the other path leads you to do nothing for (genuinely) 2.5 minutes until you jump over a spike and then get coins. sure, it’s a cool concept, but i think for it to make sense in a gauntlet the second path would need to have its own gameplay, because if it showed up in a gauntlet, people would just be encouraged to take the ‘wrong ending’ because it’s easier and progresses the gauntlet quicker, spend 2.5 minutes waiting for something to happen, then move on with the gauntlet. in a sense it kind of does the level a disservice because i don’t think that’s how it was meant to be experienced, but that’s beside the point

^

Princess demon did not break any of these rules

there is just no realistic reason it should have been disqualified in the first place it really makes no sense at all to me

^ as someone who doesnt feel too strongly about the level it is still unreal that its not in the top 50, if it was disqualified for difficulty, update limitations, or any other reason, should be communicated for sure

Since results have been released for the duality gauntlet contest I think its quite fair to bring this up. Its still very unclear why Princess Demon was not added to the "top 50" list of entries even when it was definitely an entry that many had favoured and enjoyed. I think it would be nice to hear clarity on whether it was disqualified or not and if it was disqualified what was the reasoning for it. Wouldn't want someone in the future contests to also make "update limited" levels to just not make it into the gauntlet for a rule that wasnt really spoken about or anything.

Nice

I’ll lyk if anything comes of this btw (edited)

yeah

But nah he straight up meant it 😭

i hate that’s what everything always comes down to 😭

But even then at the end of the day, Rob’s the sole decision maker and has final say

everyone agrees it is what is needed

I’m sure Viprin prolly just talked to him 1:1

u need some Joy and whimsy 💖

who cares

like we talking cus we wanna talk

nobody’s being hurt by talking about it tho

👍

tho*

love trying to give actual pointers and being told who cares

Y Not thi

alright fine, keep spiralling here then

One day he’ll just randomly implement some of the suggestions

it doesn’t help that there’s no consensus except for wanting better moderation tools

Knowing Rob and going off history

i do think most optimal answer here is removing ingame messaging but itd suck to remove a system like that

lets shut down the marketplace of ideas for Fun

i think it hasnt been brought up to him as much cause the answers here seem bleak