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she just changed her mind

but does she know that the person in the clip is uncomfortable with the clip existing?

well yeah

redesigned but the gameplay is identical and made auto

oh

i can tell you that for certain

it's long been circulated on twitter as just another funny clip

Kind of disappointed in supacluck too tbh, would have thought they’d be more careful with these things

Levels that seek to make fun of or degrade others shouldn’t get rated unless the opposite party is okay with it IMO, regardless of if the person has bad moral character or not (edited)

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to be fair if rob is down thats a perfectly fine reason to unrate it

not knowing is a different story thats fine, no shade at all either to those who sent knowing the context, they probably just didnt consider what I am saying which i can understand, but i wanna bring this perspective as i think its pretty important

omg what i didnt know this now i just feel horrible for sending this now

Admittedly, I really am not a fan of this getting rated. This is not the fault of Rob or anyone who sent it without knowing the context, but I feel like a level dedicated specifically to making fun of someone over a joke, which they stated makes them very uncomfortable, is really not cool. You can make the argument that the person was a bad person, because they were, but I really don't think that serves as a justification for officially supporting making fun of them. Keep in mind that stuff like this can be really mentally taxing on someone, and regardless of what you think of that person or what they have done, their mental health still matters and should not be toyed with for a stupid bit. context if you don't know anything about this v v v (For extra context, this level makes fun of a clip in which someone known as "kalliecal" says something stupid after dying on a level. The clip was turned into a meme for months until kalliecal said it made them uncomfortable and upset. They were later exposed for racism alongside other questionable actions, and the clip has resurfaced and started being reused again, with the justification being, "They're a bad person, so I can make fun of them.")

How do you even let it get to that

LOL

bro LMAO

LOL

dude what is it with f3lixsram uploads and having the ldm remove actual level sections

also really hope I see the next suggestion of lvls since I have missed a bunch, have had something in mind for a while to request

has meka had it's ldm fixed yet

Either way, full OM would still be pretty cool

had 5 levels especially for that wave

Ok yeah that is a pretty solid choice too lol

we also got through the gates, message to robtop (krmal), denouement and Death Corridor Z

Khorne right

khorne still a banger pick tho

What ended up being 10k?

that would've been perfect

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wish i'd have thought about OM while we were doing the 10k demon wave

yea

I assume this was from the list when Nick last asked for suggestions?

has some gameplay differences

It prolly wouldn’t hurt tbh

+ is not identical to the trilgoy

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Reverie, Faith, Diligence

lol i didnt notice ocular miracle

believe so

Didn’t it get rated as three separate levels?

its a special case and wouldnt be setting any sort of precedent it's just a widely known community level that was formerly rated for a reason that no longer applies

Would the pieces of it get unrated?

i dont see why it shouldnt be rated

me!

who suggesting that one

meka 🙏

here's an updated list with the remaining unrated levels from the suggestions for anyone still curious !!

tfor1 is very nice yeah

but this behaviour doesnt just appear it would have always been there

but this behaviour seems like it's far from new

this behaviour is pretty unacceptable

Agreed

you dont have to like it but you should be able to recognise its quality

i haven’t even seen the lvl yet idk what the fuss is about

I truthfully didn’t like the level all that much but it being review bombed hurts so much. It makes sense to have a couple bad reviews but leaving a bad review and telling your friends to is just awful. Sucks to see some people that I thought were cool doing stuff like that.

On the other hand I made a nice comment in the morning and Tfor1 DM'd me with words of appreciation

which is rly sad cos its like a 2x combo of hate (edited)

hey for full clarity i was in call when this happened and fun fact, arcadiac is actually the one who said it 😭

i wish ak just straight up didnt gaf about hyperbolus its genuinely bad for him

this is rlly mean behavior from some of my friends which is rly unfortunate

i agree and i think this person is very two-faced and im pretty sure some other ppl can back me up on this (edited)

potential mod candidates stop shooting yourselves in the foot challenge (top 1)

Arcadiac just really cant be trusted at all 😭

They really always lie publicly its genuinely insane how untrustworthy they are with that, unfortunate

I truly believe feedback works best when ego is stripped away and there’s an aspect of humility towards interacting with people’s projects

if i had to guess its because it got dislike bombed

this is a screenshot from yesterday, it was sent around 20 hours ago but honestly they might've

Did they delete the comment

i dislike when people say these sorta things about levels, 7ak has been a person who would've been a big no for me anyways for other reasons but like cmon...

Went and checked the Hyperbolus reviews and while I am not seeing Arcadiac, I do think 7ak comes across as pretentious.

Def not good to hear about Arcadiac

sad to hear these things about arcadiac

Disappointing to hear

Yea this is clearly just dogpile hate cuz they think its funny

7ak was also someone who was shitting on everyones different random gauntlet entries from what i heard (for not great reasons) so hearing hes involved makes me less willing to believe the hating was from a place of critique

Some people just be like that

its also just weird cuz the level itself is rlly good too, it kinda just comes across as hating for the sake of hating

Well sure the idea is that it stays private but if that doesnt happen then youre bad at keeping opinions to yourselves

in general ive also just been hearing a lot about arcadiacs ego issues from this whole thing its just a bad look all around rlly

7ak was always very public on his opinions

7ak had a comment on the level shitting on it but he got dislike bombed so he deleted it iirc

Which seemed to be the case here

its just genuine loser behavior idk what got into them

The most egregious crime here is the review bombing i think

+some extra proof this even happened in the first place

I believe that's roughly what happened. Maybe some details are wrong, but I know he got major support and won the drama overall.

good for him

Kingsman was trying to actually win as a team and they weren't pleased with the idea of actually trying in an esports event, eventually they kicked him off the team iirc and that's when shit started to blow over.

that’s insane

wtf

Yeah, essentially his team was singling him out, talking shit behind his back. Plenty of videos later going back and forth because Kingsman needed the prize pool for college iirc.

There was mistreatment, yes, but they have started to actively beef with others in pr toxic fashion over twitter

I see way too many of those

unless there is new drama

they’re finding themselves in a lot of drama in the marvel community too though

they deserve it with the dedication they have

same

i remember that level taking forever to get rated lol

yup

i am glad they have found success elsewhere

ohhh theyre the host of sisyphus

Yeah

oh they dont do anything gd anymore

i think he quit?

i dont know much about them

yeah its actually crazy lmao

dude he streams on twitch every day, roughly 6k viewers

they got into marvel rivals eventually

like dude

its crazy that he has 500k subs on yt now and is super big marvel rivals streamer now like wtf

what happened with them

so yea hes up to some cool stuff but he needs a wake up call 💔

omg i remember kingsman, he would stream like every single day, review like a load of levels in his servers and whatnot

pretty sure hes also currently involved with the label that collaborated with gdan plus the geode mod stuff

yeah, we used to be friends with him around 2 years ago, way before gdan and all this "request website, mod for mods" stuff and he was very chill, and then suddenly we kinda just stopped talking and he started going at whatever hes doing nowdays...

Reminds me of KingsMan265

much appreciated

ye ill see what maintenance thinks

would at least think so

yeah but with new mods + it coming up a lot more maybe another one with an everyone tag wouldn't hurt admittedly

but then every now and then something like this happens with him idk man

wish he didnt treat it so borderline obsessively because hes genuinely a dedicated and hard working guy

i already announced a bit ago advising ppl not to use mods for mods by non mods

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omg yeahhhh, i was in a vc with him when you got promoted actually because he asked me to help him out with a video documentary hes doing on codependence, promotions just happened and i remember he was saying stuff like "oh my god i was almost sure i would get it this wave, why does this have to be so difficult" or something along these lines...

I feel like he would just grab some mods account and start sending shit himself over that account

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bruhh

lowkey this ^^^^

this is what he was doing in dms to me when i got promod

everything about it screams like it would go wrong

this is not just a one off instance btw

Can we maybe get an announcement to not use that one because imma be real its such a red flag

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especially for streams, i'll prolly try it later today

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its really good

i wanna try kiba's mod, where can i find it??

why not just push out the mod to the index first man 😭

not a good look whatsoever

im sorry but mass asking mods like that is just really not it

its so fucking sus

i just said i already use kiba's mod because its very convenient loll (edited)

dont get why he needs moderators to test it tho, it very much looks like something that any ordinary person could test...

pretty sure he reached out to a lot of mods

the mod

considering he is involved with many projects like globed and shit

or is this abt playtesting levels

not a fan

Yeah, I shan’t be the first to use it

cuz its an easy attack vector

Okay I see

I feel like we discussed that already

Anyone get DM’d by herozer or a friend of theirs about a request stream geode mod?

request streams are good for community but really bad for the sent tab

mainly because mods often send high quality stuff on their own and not on streams lol

if he doesnt change how he filters then 99% of rate waves will just be levels from the latest request stream which are typically of much lower quality than others

i think he just needs to have a mod send average displayed in the list of levels hes checking so then its easier to tell with what kind of level hes gonna deal with (edited)

in short rob pls use average send rating filters to actually rate the unrated epic+ levels that have been waiting for months

i think the only realistic way this could be solved is having higher quality levels require less time to be seen rob should check levels with the consensus being epic+ more often to reduce waiting times on the best levels, and generally his rate waves should consist of cases where it’s near universally feature+ for levels that will likely receive a star rate, they could go back to my other idea of rob periodically rating the levels with most sends, since ideally there wouldnt be any epics or higher in there as opposed to right now it would be harder for star rate levels to get rated like this but when creators are pumping out levels as fast as they are it seems a necessary step to take, since right now an epic nondemon has the same priority to be seen as a top creator’s 100th star rate level

Even if they are making the change now to play legitimately I am not willing to vouch for them out of moral beliefs.

It's gonna be a while until I'm willing to vouch tho. They got lb banned so many years ago and flat out refused to reset until now so I would definitely want to wait and let them show they mean it

Tldr were stuck in purgatory and awarded tab is our hell

Yea fr

it'd be so cool to have them on the team

I think it's related of their interest for the position yea (edited)

zoroa is really cool, im kinda hoping they did this so they can apply

On another note, I found out Zoroa has reset their stats to become a legitimate player.

And this may be a take a lot of you may disagree with heavily, but I think the simpler levels (especially the more design focused one's) feel more like Geometry Dash if that makes sense. That's why I tend to appreciate those levels more. (edited)

Yes, even I feel this way. I appreciate really high effort levels for sure, but the simpler stuff I find far more enjoyable as Epic+ levels to me feel like.. organized chaos in a sense. A lot of levels of those qualities tend to be like sensory overload for me which is why I personally your more usual simpler styled levels such as design and modern.

I’ve seen casual players complaining about legendary/mythic levels because they usually can’t see what is happening

Tbh think there is kinda a disconnect between the levels the creating community likes and the levels the casual player base likes to play. Like casual players do not focus on mythic and legendary rates. A lot of legendary and mythic levels end up with awful like amounts, there’s like 45 legendaries that didn’t even reach 10k likes. Casual players seem to prefer the simple short sightreadable levels and they get good like to download ratios.

Just don't wanna give people a false hope

The problem with a high volume of star sends is it gives the good levels less of a chance to get seen. And as we have seen, many epic+ levels are getting missed in the system because of this

Starrates are fine imo, I send for star rate most of levels I ever send

I remember back when rob barely rated medium levels and there were never any star rated levels. Now checking the awarded tab, they are extremely common and together probably account for over 25% of rates

Rob has been ignoring me ever since

Kshdjshd

But if he doesn't do a change himself, or asks us to do one, it's kinda rough

With him not interacting much with wider xommunity/modchat and being the only person who decides

I haven't talked with him about it personally, but I assume Viprin did since it has been a common topic since pretty much 2.1, and I know some Mods did on their own

And yea I also dmed rob some time ago about that problem

Yeah im probs getting a bit ahead of myself, rob does also have his perspective and he knows what he wants for it. Its just frustrating that there is a problem thats been discussed for 6 months now probably and its just “upto rob” like man can we ATLEAST get some perspective or something

That's like the only way but this is also not very cool to make people not send levels they like

I feel like rob has very strong views on what is better for the game to get rated and trying to change his mind wouldn't help much, we are just people who send levels and have no decisive power over stuff rob should prefer, unless we all agree not to send certain stuff

I get the point that it isnt in robs interest for something like that. But i think its very important to note the general distaste that the moderators express about this. Almost once a month at this point. The mods aint happy about these borderline mediums levels getting rated. I think mbed described it very well. We are constantly arguing about rate standards and mediums and bla bla bla and its honestly almost tiring to see this conversation pop up here without even like, an attempt to maybe discuss this with rob. Is he even aware that a chunk of the mod team doesnt like this? Or think it may be unhealthy for the game? Rob rates the levels but he is out of touch with the wider community and thats just a fact.

I overall believe nowadays standards are way too low and although the game would die without simpler/shorter levels getting rated, I'd believe projects with more effort put into them should have more attention from mods and rob. Although nick does the thing with sending levels directly to rob, it still seems like there could be more we can do, such as sharing more cool levels in there for more attention/sends for them

I've kind of glanced over the conversation, but that's kind of why people get chosen to begin with, no? They're entrusted with the role to send those "baseline" levels (but more so levels that they themselves deem worthy of a potential rating). It's entirely up to the Moderator at the end of the day and whilst that may be annoying to in a sense dismiss the argument like that you can't control how other Mods work. (edited)

So would be a rule for sends that isn't even in Robs interest

I really like that we have such a diverse interest in levels from the team, its really nice, but also there is definitely something we can do about this no? Ive always said we can put some sort of baseline rule about sends. Why cant we do that?

The influx of low effort crp grinding medium levels got pretty bad. I actually added a rule to my req streams that no medium length levels are allowed and its worked out well lol

Communication is just going to have folks that miss it

ye

Ah

Well both is something that would require rob primarily to take actions

impossible to get a message to all mods

these seem like two separate problems that need different approaches to address

I’m struggling to understand the connection between uninformed moderators sending icooki3 levels and the general trend of levels getting rated with a shorter duration here

its something rob would prolly have to do which idk if anything would happen about that

Trying to raise stakes for what can and can’t get rated will cause a lot of drama both internally and externally, I’d imagine

yeah i sort of wish classics were capped to 50s+, i thoroughly dislike sending really brief levels, cause 90% of the time, theyre just shortened for the sake of catching an easy rate

IMO

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It's not that deep. This to me is game dev 101. Keep the game alive is priority #1

but i could just be wrong

idt it is that deep

the more I think about it, the more it makes sense shorter levels are encouraged by Rob because they get put in GD Lite and younger players are more inclined to buy the real game (edited)

idk

idk if its a rob thing or a volume thing

but its what people need to cater to because its the new reality

attention span in 2026: (edited)

draws them in more and encourages them to buy the game

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over like, good levels

We're not getting enough plats, we're not getting enough demons, we're not getting enough epics

idk why rob likes them so much tho

It's out of proportion now

it is a big part of why i dont take time to play rated stuff anymore

I agree too (edited)

i agree

like i agree that the bar for length was arbitrary before, and mediums arent inherently bad. but the volume at which they get rated at seemingly mediocre quality is more frustrating than it is not

If we stop sending medium length levels, they'll stop getting rated. But there's mods that push for these levels vehemently because the amount of rated medium length levels has increased significantly.

like, it would be more understandable to me if there werent tons of levels with 30 sends waiting to be rated all the time or an entire platformer mode going unlooked at

yeah

lmaooo

most levels don't

I understand the perspective but I can't lie, as someone who made medium length levels it kinda hurts to have my levels instantly dismissed by this ''it needs to be long'' rule.

imo

I’ve yet to see a medium length level that felt like a complete idea

I personally think medium levels are fine. Maybe I'm biased because I'm not a very good creator and I struggle focusing on one level for too long. For this reason, I have a handful of medium length levels. I never quite understood this 'unwritten rule' of ''a level must be 1 minute long'' threshold we had. If a level works, it works. It's also a side development of short form content, and unfortunately its just another thing we need to take into account moving forward. Because shorters levels are here and they're here to stay. (edited)

We kept the boundary beforehand so when people tried it didn’t work

yeah

Because as soon as that door’s open it’s open

Because they started getting rated 😭

which 99% of the time is just 'does the song start and end in under 60 seconds'

Yup, and since a couple short levels got rated, I've been getting plenty of those, too. I get so much shit during request streams for virtually never sending them, therefore my "standards" are too high or whatever, blah blah blah

fried

the medium level boundary was pushed

naturally ppl put in less effort

grrr

gotta make getting stats as easy as possible for retention 🔥

Pixel blocks? On 😎 Jump indicators? Check 😳 NCS song? Affirmative 🥴 36 seconds? Not a step further 😇 It's gamer time 😈

it's already far too big

but then again its a shit system that needs change

very easily

Yea I've noticed

rob could do an entire rate wave of like 100 epic rates if he really wanted to

I'm certain this is not the most important level in the queue lol

or a plat at any time of day 😇 (edited)

will immediately not make it get rated because its 99% recent send rates

it's very terrible 😭

Like man where is this turnaround for all the ghosts in the system

nondemon rates are entirely predictable and demon rates are a complete slot machine

Was a little frustrated a few weeks ago when I sent some regular harder level for stars that I got requested that got rated literally within the hour that I sent it

its bleak

Nah it's remained unrated for 4 months

Oh my God I thought that got rated forever ago.

I'm shocked this level slipped through the cracks for as long as it has

i am robtop and this is my rate button

thats fair lol

I know but it's been a while since I've seen one at all so I'll just keep posting this whenever I see them

i will send it just for you

@Hado this is like a week old msg and they usually close in like 12-24h

mi bombo

i think ur a bit late

135309824 - easy/medium demon - high feature low epic

Or some different old extreme

like literally that was gonna be my next suggestion

dude are you reading my mind

If i didn’t sleep i would suggest infected caverns

i only suggest good suggestions

you too

youre amazing for this

you saw nothing

what a goooober!! ;3

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bros the only one screaming

thanks

Some of these guys could really use some help

New Jersey

I really want to make a video about the state of generic levels

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lesson learned the hard way

he was reduced to a shape

wait till you go to ikea

ive been reduced to not person

cool level yea

which tbf is a classic

and I mean the nong yeah

Lmaoo

it uses a peak song

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what are we doin man

and yeah sink is a level and also a person. theres a level called sink its by awedsy and theres a level called awedsy its by sink

i thought sink was a person

you asked for it

hey you can do it here

i was mid typing about something funny that happened yesterday :(

hello discussion people i have totally not been muted from # unknown-channel

it is not a great time yeah...

reading through this now, one of my levels took 35 sends around 15 of them were for epic too

idr how frequent

has there been recent waves of multiple high sent stuff in a row

has he or have some random high send lvls just gotten the lucky send they needed

thats very uncalled for and rude.

so will trying to demote you

this will surely work on attempt 1000001 right

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hope it can happen more

its not even like a super big thing and it could serve as a really nice temporary solution

but not every few weeks more like a couple months

alternating between the current system and every lets say week, rob could do a high send ratewave so we dont end up with levels that were sent by like actually half of the mod team

making the rating system fair attempt 1000000

but prolly shouldnt be exlcusive to that, because creators with no creator points usually have a really hard time getting their levels seen

that is if its a non demon

imo the rate system should be a queue of levels based on a mix between number of sends and the quality of sends. Maybe there could be like a hidden number of send points. Like a star rate send is 1 point, feature 3, epic 5, legendary 10 and mythic 20. And the levels with the most send points would be the first on the queue

right now if u send a level at like 11am rob time its basically useless

i recently stopped showing any of my sends altogether

I agree

actually yeah, that makes a lot of sense...

if something thinks something is just average its way less likely theyll show a picture of it like its a Must See level or something

yeah i feel, thats especially the case with levels like cbw and journey where the opinion spread is actually just insane

and not from the most recent sends

glorious

I was sent that on stream and told the creator I'd check it off stream but forgot lowkey

i didnt

creator curious who sent and what for

if you think about it

did anyone else here just send the beyblade level

my pfp and that image are kinda like yin and yang

the void

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yeah!

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you should go through nexter tab and enjoy the plentiful of great levels

yea if he doesn't then he should rly try to do some

and dont think much about it

he definitely does not. Viprin once admitted it here years ago that rob does not look at number of sends at all. Its just that now with senddb its way more obvious lol

a lot of people (like me) go through sent tab and send some of the levels myself just in they downtime

i thought cbw only had epic to mythic

i forgor

the ocean of fish

oh nvm

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this level might be another one of the all types of sends ones

its funny cuz even in 1.9 rob was still rating pretty much anything that resembled a level

hi

yeah I think there hasn't been an unmod for this since like 2.0 or early 2.1

i made a very experiemtnal level in 1h on a secret alt and it somehow got 5 sends and everyone was fuming in the comments lol

not hard enough

I sent for legendary personally

easy wave and ship

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i wonder what was considered a bad level

must've been hard back then when you could only send for star or feature 😭

Well there used to be more strict rules on mod standards many years ago. I think some mods have actually been unmodded for sending bad levels lol

this could literally be anything - sending your levels immediately after release, timing sends when its midnight for robtop

I love this level too

some ppl will send a lvl for mythic and others not send at all

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u could never argue what "abusing sends" is tho

Eh but mods abusing sends can just be warned and I doubt there would be many abusing it anyways

i like undertale chatter sfx (edited)

but i sent for epic cuz epic.

i had so much fun watching this

i lowkey dislike the sfx from characters talking 😭

hey this is pretty good

BIG ZZZ's

Or at least not everyone

^ i dont think rating the most sent lvls once or twice a month is prioritising them at all

It takes a good amount of time regardless to get to that point so like... it's not something that would happen every single day

I don't think the request is to "prioritize them", more of a solution to when a level gets to that many sends and is still unrated for absolutely no reason

i must send all good auto

There’s a beyblade inspired animation made in gd thats pretty good, could see it getting epic

cus like yeah why wouldnt it be rated after over 8 months

whenever a really good unrated level is brought up i think theres always like 2 mods that say this LOL

personally

i thought that got rated alr lowkey

same creator as the first mythic auto

What level is this

what lvl

the current 50 send level is an easy legendary to be fair but yea usually thats the case

which is funny to think about

depends honestly, like 50 sends means its very likely rate worthy but most of these levels either get star rate or feature too

or "new level i really like" too ..

i usually use them for high send stuff

but it seems mostly "old level i really like"

half n half id say

our suggestions here arent high send suggestions tho

he also rates them whenever we suggest levels here from time to time or when some mods suggest him to rate some platformers when theres a drought

ideally the system would be changed all together rather than that being the "solution"

just dont see the point in prioritizing them tbh

yea like just rating a few of the top sends every so often is literally all that is needed

then maybe he should do that more often and not for there to be a threshold to hit

that's it

he has never done it intentionally

getting your 50th send and your 1st send give you the exact same chance of rate

there has been waves where he rated high-sent levels?

send count means absolutely nothing

cuz putting a threshold would just make things worse

not at all 😭

no

but thats IMO......

perhaps he should do these more often

i do think unlucky people deserve to be treated a bit better, especially when the level is good quality. theres plenty epic or better levels waiting to be rated with over 20 sends

then i fail to see the point

im not suggesting rob ONLY rate based on # of sends, just that maybe once every couple weeks he should check some of them

this would make it less dependant on time + would make it less unfair

How would that be fair for people who lack a social media presence

all the extra system would do is offer an alternative way to get rates if the primary system fails you

^ and im inclined to agree with this too. I don’t want to compete for sends on my level. I shouldn’t feel forced to contact as many mods as possible to get my level rated

the thing is, this system is just simply additional to the current rate system, rob will still be rating based on recency of last send

disagree. if a threshold is put in place, the obsession with sends will be worse, as there's now a reason, an objective to hit, to get over 20 sends on a level. request servers will get flooded more, and getting rejected means that rob will even be less likely to see your level. like there's many levels with 20+ sends currently and rob does not rate enough to guarantee a cycle where newer levels get seen, he'll pretty much only see 20+ send levels (edited)

ive been told my send was useless because i sent it in the morning

i do think the timing of sends/time robtop rates is a separate issue compared to send count problems, and i hardly see a solution that could kill two birds with one stone

it's so obviously intentional and i hate that it works

And then you get those dms from requesters asking mods to send levels at a specific time

even if mods they know dont want to time sends for them specifically, they can just manipulate that by dropping at a good time

many people release their levels close to rate waves too

denials right now have significantly more impact than they would in this hypothetical system

I honestly wish “send timing” wasn’t as strong of an argument here because it absolutely does matter, especially during the 5-6 PM EST times where RobTop typically rates levels and oftentimes there is a correlation (not necessarily causation) between a level getting rated and how recently it got sent. It also just creates competition to get levels sent at a specific time, which also kinda screws with metrics of people who stream close to 6 PM versus people who stream at 11 AM.

right now, every time a send doesnt end up being the send that gets your level rated, you're sent back to square one as if your level was never sent at all however, if a system were in place to take into account # of sends to some degree, then even if 30 sends dont get your level rated, you'll still have them in the backlog in case you never get that well-timed send (edited)

nowadays i do not really care however i can put myself in other peoples shoes and i know how hopeless it feels since its kinda like hoping the void just spews out something you want

i was there twice and would be prolly 3 times if hala didnt intervene. its not really demoralizing but more annoying tbh

i believe it would have the opposite effect

ppl would feel a lot more justified to hate on certain people if they're "keeping them away" from hitting that threshold

knowing that they are just getting ridiculously unlucky with send timings

wouldn't you say its demoralizing if you're near to hit that threshold and mods reject you?

it's miserable

opens the gates to hostility

but its different here because they're rejecting you from hitting that threshold that will allow rob to see it

if anything people are more upset right now because they can get 30 sends and then have a mod reject it when any send could be the well-timed send to get it rated

yea and they do that when there's no send threshold

people already have the idea that one send = rate worthy and any mod who rejects past that point is stupid

During streams

Ive def had some hostility towards me in the past because i didn’t feel a level that has multiple mod sends was rateworthy in my eyes

tinytemple reference

I mean there is also the factor that in the end a level can have 30+ sends and, rob just doesnt like it

what do you think will happen

imagine your level is at 19 sends and 3 mods in a row reject your level

who cares where he finds them

sends are not representative on how good the level is either

i think it will be a lot less hostile because it wont be "ugh im at 40 sends this is never getting rated" it'll be "i can finally rest knowing i'll get the rate eventually"

i don’t think it’s only because of that. I believe the development of mods and tools like senddb put newfound emphasis in aggregating/counting send counts, to the point that some creators may treat it like a competitive metric that will inevitably lead to more frustration. It’s to the point some people treat it as a “meta” of sorts.

now there will be stakes

that makes sense to me (edited)

but thats the thing, they happen when there's nothing at stake

@GearBot rate stuff blud

Needed a new one for the newbies to join in!

the issues you describe already happen on the regular

and will end up falling back on the mods

another rates discussion

as much as i agree, if the consensus goes to "20 sends = rob will see your level faster", the obsession will get worse

if rob rated them even remotely consistently he could easily get it down to 25-30

i believe that more sends = closer to your level getting rated is an idea that makes intuitive sense

but we could easily do that for quality focused levels too

WE NEEEEEED THISSSS

IVE BEEN SAYING

Man how awesome would it be if once a month we had a channel or thread open up called “advisor picks of the month” and we can curate a list of levels for a wave each month 🥺

this is a problem that can never be solved because it's a mod-by-mod basis unfortunately

I really don’t know how to feel about this idea. On the one hand, you help assist levels that have already gotten the approval of many moderators to finally get a spotlight in the awarded/featured tab and it’s really unfortunate that quality levels go on as long as they do without robtop seeing them. On the other hand, it’s been expressed for years on end that send count does not really matter, so having rate waves catered to high sends on a more consistent basis would nullify this claim and enforce the idea that high sends = closer to inevitability that level will be rated, which means there will be more parasocial behavior from creators to mods, their streaming habits and methods of sending levels, which is a thing multiple mods have complained about either here or in private

i always love seeing ppl react to the banger rates we get

Obviously i agree with this 100% would be great to hear back. My point was more, the system we have could potentially be good if it was used in a way to get missed cool levels/high send levels that are good rated

game also being bigger

the reason why its inherently flawed imo is because standards have stooped so low anyone can create a feature worthy level with barely any effort now, and everyone is feeling entitled to get a rate

Okay i probably didnt word myself properly realizing now

that way there's no number on it

i mean alternatively he could just rate like the 10 highest average levels every couple weeks

it would be better if we got direct feedback on why a suggestion didnt get rated. like if rob chose to not rate one then we should prolly be made aware of it

putting threshold for rates will be worse

the rating system is inherently flawed and any solution proposed will be just as problematic but it's about reducing the harm it causes

Sorry if I'm picking up an old message but... what's the harm in this? Rob rates dozens of these so-called "low end levels" every day - assuming that your definition of low end is "anything that would get at most featured" which funnily enough includes probably 90% of levels released by creators that happen to be on the mod team

and any solution that fixes that issue is better than the current system

i just think it shouldnt be on us as the mods to specifically request a level in modchat like we do now when its an obvious legendary rate for example

wording makes it seem like hes doing it intentionally but you're right, i just don't think putting certain threshold for sends & stuff like that will end up doing any good

i basically treat each wave we get here the same everyone treated the 10k demon wave

I guess not

many disagree

Idk i see it as an opportunity to suggest an older cool level I like, not some friends mc that came out 2 months ago

but its not a good way to get highly sent or highly regarded levels seen

definitely not

we could all send a level for mythic and rob could ignore it for 5 months

gives chance for any skipped levels

compare it to what we have now tho

"you didn't send my level for epic so rob will never see it thanks"

anyway people already get upset for lower sends so nothing new

only a matter of time

so it will come as no surprise if he starts rating them more consistently

the community will know

people expect rob to get to these big releases that get majorly hyped up

would be interesting but i feel like it could cause issues, like mods inflating their sends or creators feeling upset if a mod doesn't send it for epic+ and therefore ruining this average

i think most of these have very high averages

dont even have to say

its in the rate suggestions so hopefully it gets seen

pretty sure it has solidly epic and legendary sends

2 months old with average > 3.5 for example (edited)

at what point does this average get determined tho

I think I only have 1

but like if a level's send average is 3.5 or higher (meaning unanimously high epic-low leg+) i feel like it should get fasttracked

wouldnt be an issue if it was consistent

terrible idea because it would give mods a "100% rate this button" basically 😭

i have 18 from 2026 releases

well i personally have 18 unrated leg/mythic sends

How many unrated levels do you think have a legendary/mythic send?

but also just doing it once a month or so would be great too

I think rob should just go and rate every single unrated level with a legendary/mythic send

and what difference does it make if rob rates a level becasue it has 30 sends vs if rob finds it randomly in the sent tab with 1 send

🥀

yea defo not all at once

usually high send levels Are just like

if anything

like when he rated the top 10 most sent unrated lvls people were rejoicing

high send levels are just so like nothing rlly idk

doing this at once would be the worst idea ever lol

people get SO happy when that happens

like that just shouldnt happen

ok no but seriously how is a solid leg and potential mythic taking 50 sends to get rated

i was just about to ask if it was lia

someone should create dusty travel playable version where the concept is the same but the obstacles are more balanced and fair and interesting

ohh nooo

i am the evil spoky killer

i wont judge

hey

im not that bad

(its not lia )

i was too scared id back out

even this screenshot has a problematic person

not paused

it really is

im the worst traveller 🥹

Oh. ignore that one

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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maybe im the april fool...

i took a few breaks

was too cautious

LOl

inching forward

were u just holding left the entire time or what

this level is a bad omen…

our dusty travel vc had One problematic person but they werent in the call for most of it so its ok

candy and stellar😊

who

crazy how that vc had like 2 #problematicpeople what does this say about my luck

dude

moments before disaster (i was like 10k units/15 mins from beating the level (edited)

it was either in the 2nd or 3rd hour

dusty travel is one of my fav plat experiences even though i died 3 hours in once

like there would be actual resentment

if this happened to me i would never play the level again

if it was rated id be interested but still dont think id be able to actually do it due to interruptions

im with mag on this one

oh that is a fair reason

unrated + being at home means i cant do something for extended periods of time uninterrupted

its fun to watch people play it but all of them suffer on it

whyy

no

lia would you join spoky and i on top 10k cheese

i was in a vc thats the only way i can stay sane

but if you play with a group it’s a banger hangout (edited)

with that removed and osu nerfed it would not be a bad level

dusty travel was rly fun for me

heyyy that sounds familiar

lia have you played my awesome level "the tower osu" by spycold? its So Amazing! for an amazing reason

seems like the least fun ever to die to a spike behind a foreground object after 4 hours of holding right

why,,

unsurprisingly I really dislike dusty travel aswell

I FORGOT ABOUT THIS

i will check !

i sent for epic but i humbled my robtop rating suggestions

more folks should check

waiiiit i would be down for that

with the occasional classic “shut up” every time one of us rolled the osu minigame

im just anti-fun like that

i really want to get a friend group together and all play at the same time

i dont think there is anything i want rated less 😭

i want it rated so bad

it was the one wildcard i allowed myself

i would rather not have a single platformer for a month straight

yo why are both cannon bay versions in sent (edited)

heres a few

what u got lined up

i had some fire suggestions lined up,,

the bi-weekly crumbs

roofs and tunnels fire tho

certified plat pro

😭

hey he rated like two yesterday!

💔 sorry

u not that gang

no reply tho

thenone with guess the drawing and starlit eyes

why mods need to make lists of cool plats constantly

like none

can rob lock in tho

cus ik joris did a couple too

and then the one before that

was it also suggested with those demons that got rated

a week or 2 ago

rob lock in,,

okayyyy so funny story hala suggested journey to rob so i assumed he would eventually get to it

i was so sure u were gonna suggest that …

nobody did JOURNEY either

guess i will do that next reqs