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kirichux3

if this wasnt a mod and just some fairly known person I would still be very skeptical and would look into it

it ended up being overblown, which is good that ausk didnt actually have any bad intentions, but i dont think that boiling it down to "people will always just hate on mods" is right here

it looks bad at a surface level, its a valid thing to question

eh i disagree

swtcyn

I just dislike how people feel the need to tarnish others over basically nothing. I'll say it again. This wouldn't be a discussion if Ausk wasn't a Mod. 😭

sakura.eve it’s super sucky how it’s so common cuz they literally should be some of the nicest, most tolerant p...

swtcyn

Can I ask what the age range of those people were? Not that it matters, but I've always took note that it was just the elderly doing that.

kazvixx

That's pretty cringe overall

orots

its pretty disappointing coming from clique seeing how overblown this was made out to be

kazvixx

Im not very familiar to catholic Christians

liathecat

my parents will make any little economic drama somehow about trans people within 10 minutes (edited)

kazvixx I thought that was more about muslims

liathecat

i can tell you firsthand that this is very much applicable to christianity

kazvixx

I thought that was more about muslims

auskgd Yea, which sucks cos I genuinely am heartbroken when I hear of christians being hateful towards peop...

sakura.eve

it’s super sucky how it’s so common cuz they literally should be some of the nicest, most tolerant people, when i was christian we were taught to not judge people cuz that’s gods job but i constantly saw my fellow christian’s super judgmental of lgbt

landongmd

wonder why

doesnt rly seem to be a problem much elsewhere

specifically the american christian community

v sick of this attitude in the wider christian community

connot

especially when many christian's mask their hate with "love"

yeah that's true

sirhadoken

Misunderstanding/misinterpreting the conversation this way is an easy and probably honest mistake (edited)

Admittedly Christianity does this to itself in some ways, the kill them with kindness approach can make it kinda hard to tell when someone is genuinely being compassionate vs. when they’re being like backhandedly condescending because you’re out of line

landongmd

did someone say cancel culture

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connot it's just canceling a culture

landongmd

connot

and it'll work too cus twitter and nuance doesn't exist

landongmd

i was raised christian and even as a lgbt person i cant say that going on public attack about this is rly right lol

connot

to me at least

it's just canceling a culture

landongmd

^

connot

any decent christian would do the same

landongmd

so keep that here plz

connot

i could be missing smth but idk

landongmd

idk how public the details of clique lying in a prior exposal are

sirhadoken

If anything this is why I want to know y’all better; I feel like maybe I’d have been more easily convinced by the smear campaign if I hadn’t literally talked to Ausk personally about his faith before, it saves us all a lot of headache when we can look at something public and think, “that doesn’t really sound like them..”

landongmd

i chose not to rly look into it until i saw some discussion here cos i couldn’t really make heads or tails of it. clique is partially genuinely really valid in part but iirc they created a false exposal before so i wasnt fully trusting of their reporting, even if most of it is from their own experience

connot

personally idk why it's come to this i don't see it as being that deep

auskgd Saw comments like "idk who ausk is but f*** them"

landongmd

i saw this and i honestly assumed these were really dated screenshots. it isnt the ausk i know even if i dont talk to you too much, but you werent attacking her at all.

sirhadoken

I practically grew up in a church and had really bad experiences with it for obvious reasons but no amount of trauma could give me specifically the trans experience of being othered in religious settings

sirhadoken It’s a complicated issue because it’s valid for clique to have been hurt by this, but not valid to p...

connot

this is probably a good way to put it

connot

idk im not trans tho and i don't know how that feels around christianity

especially considering she's coming from a similar origin as myself

sirhadoken

It’s a complicated issue because it’s valid for clique to have been hurt by this, but not valid to portray it as an attack

connot

😭 😭

so it's hard for me to understand why clique felt compelled to essentially cancel ausk for smth that every decent christian would do

and even now being critical of the faith itself i know he didn't mean any harm

so i understand what ausk was tryna convey

especially with being religious myself at one point

idk this is just so weird to me

sirhadoken

It felt very clear to me that Ausk was speaking more to the notion of losing faith out of anger and shame towards the self rather than the spiritual morality of being trans but it was just nonspecific enough that someone who feels really burned by religion will fill the gaps on what it means in a way that really does feel hurtful to them

gecko4 it’s possible clique has had many bad experiences in the past with christians brushing off her strug...

sirhadoken

This was on my mind a lot listening to the actual audio a few days ago, because it so clearly comes from a place of compassion when you listen to it and the danger comes more from exposing someone to religion as a trigger when their trauma leaves them unready to hear it rather than actually saying anything even remotely critical

connot

but there's also just a bunch of hatred towards religion nowadays

i don't think u even did anything crazy and the amount of ppl dogpiling is genuinely ridiculous

far too many people are comfortable making smear campaigns over mundane shit like this 😭

hope your message reaches the right people

gecko4

i’ve spent multiple minutes on 10 words multiple times while talking & helping friends

can fix wordings and think longer about each word while typing it out

auskgd

I cooked myself by doing that

You are so right

For real

gecko4

it can also be a lot easier to word things poorly when you’re talking out loud unedited instead of typing, you said you might be able to articulate better in voice but honestly i think it was to your detriment 😭

swtcyn

auskgd

Most ppl dont even know who u are but yk lets jump in just because

Saw comments like "idk who ausk is but f*** them"

Ye probably

gecko4

most people who responded negatively to her callout post i guarantee you didnt watch the video and just ate it up

auskgd

That is very fair

gecko4 like yeah some stuff you said was bad but it seems pretty obviously stemming from cluelessness not h...

auskgd

I think cluelessness is a good word yea 😭

swtcyn

Makes me wonder if any of the Mods besides 2 of which I know of who've seen the tweet had brought up the dkitey tweet to maintenance about me deleting a comment on my level that was just such a non-issue. 😭

auskgd Saw it coming

auskgd

Well, friends saw jt coming and were kind enough to let me know cos I was blissfully unaware*

gecko4

like yeah some stuff you said was bad but it seems pretty obviously stemming from cluelessness not hate

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tbf anyone with a brain who reads clique’s claims and watches the evidence would be able to tell it’s being massively overblown

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auskgd

Saw it coming

Glad I brought this up with maintenance myself like months ago 😭

gecko4

i was gonna but i was at work when i saw the tweet lol

swtcyn Especially since supposedly 8 other Mods have mentioned this to maintenance.

auskgd

Oh gosh

gecko4

kinda blew up and put ausk’s name out there

swtcyn Especially since supposedly 8 other Mods have mentioned this to maintenance.

gecko4

yea was good to bring up to make sure gets resolved

auskgd

I love this game and I love the community and I love people

Eyes watering up moment lowkey

gecko4

potentially losing mod status from a misunderstanding must be terrifying i get it

auskgd

So i admittedly got a bit emotional rn

Ive had multiple people already just jump to conclusions even tho they know me

gecko4 maybe can wait for a couple more mods to read to make sure

swtcyn

Especially since supposedly 8 other Mods have mentioned this to maintenance.

gecko4

will bump original message for new readers to check

gecko4 yea nah ausk ur fine on this

auskgd

Thank you for being understanding gecko for real

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swtcyn Oh I see, I'd say that it's good that's it's back up, but honestly I think Brazil had it right by ta...

auskgd

Lowkey haha

gecko4

but seems good

maybe can wait for a couple more mods to read to make sure

swtcyn

Oh I see, I'd say that it's good that's it's back up, but honestly I think Brazil had it right by taking it away. 😭🙏

auskgd

And then was gonna delete the acc after some time

I actually created an account earlier today just to post this

Tysm

Its back now tho

Ohhh yea it was temporarily down at some point

swtcyn

Or at least I think there was a law that Twitter was removed in parts of Brazil.

gecko4

you dont talk about being a mod at all during it so shouldnt really reflect on the team much i think

swtcyn

If you'd like Ausk I wouldn't mind since I know you don't have Twitter(?) Unless Brazil changed that law?

auskgd

Haven't yet. Wanted to check with u guys first because since im a mod i know that ends up affecting you all too

gecko4

prolly should just to make sure ppl get the message

did you post this publicly?

yea nah ausk ur fine on this

direct quote give or take a couple words (edited)

swtcyn

He's well aware if someone's a good person than they're a good person. Not some nightmare community figure who treats minorities poorly.

gecko4

her post did end with “this isn’t appropriate behaviour for a GD Moderator” (edited)

swtcyn

I was going to say this warrants no punishment to Ausk whatsoever. He's a human, shit happens.

auskgd

Im all for like being shown if something i said was accidentally harmful or didnt show empathy

Yeye like addressed

gecko4

call-out is the wrong word but u get the idea

ausk’s initial response was in some way worthy of a call-out but it should have been a private “hey what you said made me very uncomfortable” not “hey guys look this guy sucks”

gecko4 it’s possible clique has had many bad experiences in the past with christians brushing off her strug...

auskgd

Yea, which sucks cos I genuinely am heartbroken when I hear of christians being hateful towards people, thats the very thing I wanted to show her in the video but it went all the wrong ways 😭

swtcyn

Very much dislike that it's seemingly always because it's a Mod that someone needs to "expose them" and get attention from it regardless of the topic. I get we're community figures, but I'm simply exhausted of seeing this over and over again.

I'll be real with everything aside this wouldn't be a discussion if Ausk wasn't a Mod.

gecko4

it’s possible clique has had many bad experiences in the past with christians brushing off her struggles and just couldnt bare the idea of yet another

auskgd To me the wild part was she blocked me without every telling me anything and proceeded to tell my fr...

gecko4

yeah idk even in the shoes of clique perceiving you as a raging transphobe you would’ve been one of the most laid back transphobes ever so even if it were true i doubt it’d have been very confrontational

gecko4

it’s something everyone should strive to understand more deeply but it doesn’t come easily

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i struggle with gender identity myself so i get it but ppl who have lived their whole lives comfortable in their gender would probably never think of it (edited)

it’s easy to know what being transgender means but it’s very hard to internalise it and be capable of sympathising with others about it unless you’ve had the experience yourself

auskgd

To me the wild part was she blocked me without every telling me anything and proceeded to tell my friends that a conversation with me "wouldnt be productive" as if I was the one that didn't want to talk (edited)

I'd be down to apologize or clear anything up if needed

gecko4 saw clique’s original post & document, thought to bring it up here but didn’t really know how since ...

auskgd

Yea i rly just wish she messaged me :(

auskgd

Im relieved to read that because being real its more like an honest mistake out of lack of knowledge on the topic perhaps rather than actively showing distaste or anything like that towards clique (which obviously is not the case)

gecko4

my initial interpretation was that you weren’t transphobic and rather just didn’t really understand how to sympathise with the struggles of being transgender

i think your response is pretty good and clears the important stuff up

saw clique’s original post & document, thought to bring it up here but didn’t really know how since while i found your 26 minute video a little misguided in the advice you gave (being dismissive of her gender at times), i also didn’t fully agree with the labels clique put onto you for it and this is really just another situation that should have been a private conversation

auskgd

I'm deeply sorry if anything I said caused any harm to anyone in here

Very quick summary but the document is more thorough so I recommend reading that

For quick context, someone who I was friends with a few years ago decided to completely turn on me and use my (unfortunately poorly chosen) words against me to frame me as being hateful against them when that was the opposite of what was happening. The conversation went very positively and they even thanked me and said my response was well thought out (which they conveniently hid from their post). Regardless, they eventually changed their mind and are now seemingly not in a good place mentally and are doing what they can to "expose" me. They have attempted to manipulate some of my friends into hating me (which thankfully didn't work, as they watched the video themselves and concluded there was nothing hateful there, just very poorly worded at worst). Some even found the thread manipulative and dishonest. I don't really know what to do or how to effectively address this (I haven't been involved in anything like this before). Although it took me like 10 hours to write, I haven't made this document public yet. I'm open for questions and anything along those lines

This message has been redacted because it contains private personal external documents of little to no public importance.

gecko4

yea idk the level has a similar structuring gameplay wise and a couple of inspired designs but beyond that it does a lot on its own too

mbed

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its hardly anything to write home about as far as the level is concerned

i mean like he can be upset but like

waffybun

i don't know how much of what he said i'd be allowed to share here, if anything (edited)

sakura.eve

like there’s 3 things i think can be drawn to each other and they look quite different, like how you’d expect in something transformative

oh i see my smoop judgements are outdated, i lowkey don’t see why he’d be bothered it looks quite different from his level

gecko4 and i dont think i'd be the only one to think this doesnt seem like more than just "too kind to call...

waffybun

i'm in a private server with smoop and based on his messages in there he seems to be bothered by it, but it seems outwardly he wants to be nice and not start anything

destriv I was asked to look into this and I wanted to bring it here. Akira by Katas (145570850) looks to be ...

sakura.eve

yeah looking at the videos now that i had a moment these levels are super different while retaining similarities like you’d expect from something transformative, i don’t think there’s any reason to call it stealing or anything like that, this looks like textbook inspiration

gecko4 and i dont think i'd be the only one to think this doesnt seem like more than just "too kind to call...

sakura.eve

i know smoop personally from a few years ago, this isn’t sarcasm

sakura.eve

that level is just inspiration, the screenshots look similar but different enough to where it’s fine

mbed

and yeah every once in a while youll get a true savant that seems like they are making the craziest stuff out of nowhere but 99% of times even those people have something inspiring their work-- even if its not directly from the medium they are working in

devilmine

rather judge the level based on that instead

mbed if anything i think levels that take ideas from others and implement them poorly shouldnt be rewarde...

devilmine

was gonna say smth like that yeah

gecko4

i usually dont send levels that do another levels thing worse so i can probably agree with that

mbed

if anything i think levels that take ideas from others and implement them poorly shouldnt be rewarded not because of the stealing but because of the poor implementation

gecko4

if there was no reward there wouldnt be any reason to get mad at someone being inspired off of another work

getting rewarded for creating is the root of people worrying about being too heavily inspired

mbed

cuz it implies you are taking something away from who you take inspiration from

"stealing" is a bad term tho

but yeah its not that deep in this case

but truthfully stealing is most of how art evolves and iterates

gd in some ways is a pain because people are rewarded in such a narrow way that stealing feels like a bad thing to do often

mbed sometimes, a great idea can carry an otherwise mediocre project. but it doesnt stop other people fro...

devilmine

true

mbed

sometimes, a great idea can carry an otherwise mediocre project. but it doesnt stop other people from taking those ideas and making even better (or worse) things with it

devilmine tbh i was gonna say it isnt that complex and thats why but realistically it was complex back then so...

mbed

well ideas dont have to be complex to not have been considered before. thats just how art goes it becomes the marketplace of different ideas and they become puzzle pieces to fit together in different ways

gecko4

i think it's fine to bring up to discussion to gauge others thoughts but yea non issue i think

mbed literally i do not think so. just because it becomes a trend doesnt make it not equivalent

devilmine

tbh i was gonna say it isnt that complex and thats why but realistically it was complex back then so yeah lowkey ur right

devilmine

😭 😭 😭

where even is the issue if the creator said this

actually yeah

gecko4

and i dont think i'd be the only one to think this doesnt seem like more than just "too kind to call them out"

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the clock transition is also like 1 second long and even then the clock design is different

definitely

mbed

i think you could find similar levels of inspiration and idea-borrowing in just about every single other top entry if you nitpick hard enough

especially considering the level credits the inspiration

destriv This tho looks a little too close lol

destriv

They have the same perspective change on the bg where it looks to flatten out, and the general movement on the center clock is fairly similar

devilmine Nine circles is a little bit different admittedly

mbed

literally i do not think so. just because it becomes a trend doesnt make it not equivalent

devilmine

Also credits so its chill

IMO

but generally yeah its transformative enough

gecko4

everything is inspired off of something

devilmine

Nine circles is a little bit different admittedly

mbed

lol

to me this would be like if we had to get rid of every nine circles level for using the same effect idea

i mean thats tuff but all gd levels are extremely derivative of other works

gecko4

clock transitions are hardly new or unique

the stuff around it is new

meh its just the clock

destriv

This tho looks a little too close lol

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mbed

idk it doesnt really look bad at all to me

destriv

I agree that it does look transformative which is a good thing

mbed

yeah this looks like actual inspiration

destriv

I think it's generally fine, but the thing that irks me is that Akira is for the possibility of monetary gain Gaining money off of a level that's inspired by another (in general) doesn't really sit all too well with me

gecko4

+ minute is credited as you said so i don’t think this is a big deal

akira largely does its own thing throughout with the duality between cherry blossoms and industrial city themes

the most similar part is this one and i don’t think it’s that bad, you can tell where inspiration was taken from but it’s not ripping any designs

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this seems pretty transformative to me

destriv

I was asked to look into this and I wanted to bring it here. Akira by Katas (145570850) looks to be fairly similar to Minute by SmoopInc (113708044). Akira is a Duality Gauntlet entry, and the main reason why I was asked to look into it is if the level places in the contest, then that would promote stealing to some degree since, admittedly, Akira looks to be a remake of Minute of some sorts. At the end of Akira, it does mention Minute in its inspirations list (with the only other level listed being another level by Katas) only for a second or two. The person who brought this up to me did mention that Smoop is aware of Akira's similarities, they are "too kind to call Katas out for it" @AutoNick Figure I'd tag you since you'd wanna hear about this and convo that might come out of this.

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orots

it would just get messy

they ban evade in level request servers all the time

yea

sakura.eve

like when he’s looking for levels (edited)

during his rate waves i mean

would be nice if rob was able to set a blacklist filter on his end so specific accounts never showed up

don’t disable icookie, shadow banning is far better, we don’t need them trying to evade the ban on an alt if they know they’re banned, better to just do it quietly. Someone like them wont be affected by us sending a message, will just make things harder for us in the long run

agsilver.

cant he just move one level to another persons account

liathecat

so its not impossible

last year a similar thing happened and rob did actually fix it

liathecat does anyone have time to look into this

incidius

this was rated 8 years ago. I assume rob won't do anything even if it was stolen

liathecat

does anyone have time to look into this

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kirichux3

I mean aside from stealing shit to get levels rated, they dont really do anything else that requires immediate action, so a shadow rate-ban if possible would probably be ideal

gormuck

getting blacklisted from rate would def be a good thing (edited)

zryder_

But idk if such a shadowban exists

That is also true, I do like how predictable he is

autonick

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if they move it to a different one it's kinda ass

right now they do all their bs on one account and we instantly know

geometry_dash i can imagine if their acc gets disabled theyll make like 20 more

autonick

yea this is kinda my concern tbh

zryder_

Disable to send the message ofc, anyone can avoid with an alt unfortunately

kirichux3

either way yes 100% disable in some sort of way

geometry_dash

i can imagine if their acc gets disabled theyll make like 20 more

kirichux3

I think they have used alts before so would be reasonable to do that

geometry_dash

like they think theyre just rly unlucky with rates

so they dont make like 50 alts

zryder_

I’m curious what yall think tho

geometry_dash

can they be like shadowbanned instead

kirichux3

in every way

like they are just malicious

zryder_

I just listed several other reasons outside of that

kirichux3

well yea theres more to it which is why im 1000% in favor of an acc disable

gormuck

well ik they steal levels but that doesn't seems enough at all to disable

zryder_

Taking advantage of Mods

kirichux3

yep

the list goes on forever

zryder_

Serial level stealer, manipulative, constantly getting LB banned/unban

gormuck what's wrong with him

kirichux3

steals assets, constantly hacks levels, steals levels, manipulates smaller creators to build for them, and probably more i cant think of

zryder_

Everything bruh

gormuck

what's wrong with him

kirichux3

needed like genuinely

zryder_ Chat wdyt about seeing if Rob can disable iCookie’s account

kirichux3

I would personally celebrate

dreameatergd

That would be a nice thing

zryder_

Chat wdyt about seeing if Rob can disable iCookie’s account

kirichux3

demote lia

liathecat

ok miss information

kirichux3

it works the other way

it doesnt work inverse

reupload with the same name not unlisted

I forgot if you

liathecat chloe is all muddled

kirichux3

dont say that

liathecat

chloe is all muddled

:v

colon I can do that?

liathecat

no

kirichux3 why not just re-list it yourself?

colon

I can do that?

zryder_

Long as you verify it

colon Can I intentionally upload a level as unlisted then get a mod to list it later down

zryder_

Generally no but I’ll do it cause why not

kirichux3

so yeah itd just be fine, you can re-list it yourself

wait no the week thing is only for rated levels right

in which i mean, yeah thats fine

unless you mean waiting longer than 1 week

colon Can I intentionally upload a level as unlisted then get a mod to list it later down

kirichux3

why not just re-list it yourself?

colon

Can I intentionally upload a level as unlisted then get a mod to list it later down

perox8

Idk how it happens

destriv Lowkey kinda crazy that this is still a thing. I've been hit with this twice, and initially it just ...

perox8

I always back up as unlisted but i remember unlisted can be deleted too

incidius

I genuinely assumed this was fixed in 2.2 😭

agsilver.

i swear this has happened to them in the past

spycold

yeah that sucks a lot 😭

oh

destriv

No this is the game just randomly wiping all your levels when you load it up

spycold

unless this is something different

destriv Lowkey kinda crazy that this is still a thing. I've been hit with this twice, and initially it just ...

spycold

okay this has happened to me before the solution is to reload data one more time

destriv Lowkey kinda crazy that this is still a thing. I've been hit with this twice, and initially it just ...

1nfra

Same thing just happened to crashyy recently

agsilver.

there for sure should be some sort of warning or cap

tricipital

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if rob wont improve the save system then i feel entitled to upload 100000 unlisted backup copies of levels onto the servers (edited)

relicsong

i also save almost every time i have a longer session

so i just stay vigilant in maintaining that number

ive found a sweet spot of about 135 levels where my game saves fine

mbed

like after saving them

i just delete extra copies that dont matter

whenever i do i clear out the clutter in my levels

i manually backup my save files every once in a while

devilmine

or lowkey outsource this system to be seperated file based instead of all in one file at some point

ngl

Maybe rob should just cap it at 500

It probably depends on file size

kirichux3

i have 600 levels should i be scared

destriv

Lowkey kinda crazy that this is still a thing. I've been hit with this twice, and initially it just seems to happen out of nowhere. You could close the game and reopen it a few minutes later and all your levels are gone. I think it occurs mainly when you have too many created levels. I was talking with ZeroSR when it happened to him, and he had like 1100+ levels because he likes to make different copies to be able to go back and see the building process if he decided to make a YouTube video out of it. He said he'd always notice that the game took a long time to open, and exiting out of a level would also take a while. I pointed those out to him, and surely enough the large amount of levels was what caused those to happen 😭 I think there should at least be a warning that you risk something like this occurring at any given point if you have such a large amount of levels. Not everyone really knows why the random wipe occurs. I'm just guessing it's the large amount of levels

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relicsong

get out

bro did not get it

kirichux3

please resign

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liathecat

skibidi rob rob rob top top

relicsong

bor

1nfra

kirichux3

rob

gecko4

rob thinks therefore he is

agsilver.

rob is the emobidment

kirichux3

rob is the embodiment of never

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gecko4

rob is the embodiment of never let them know you~~r next move~~

kirichux3

rob is the embodiment of never let them know your next move

gecko4

cool cool ty

kirichux3

yeahh

autonick

rob not reliable like that

just not "tomorrow"

ig can say soon

but dont say when

ig doesnt hurt to say that ye an announcement about more info will happen

orots

✨ 🩷

Good Afternoon to you kreno

orots omg i can finally do this

1kreno

orots

autonick

hmm

gecko4

well nick said he’ll announce tmr i assumed regardless of if rob gives deadline or not

devilmine

or smth happens

😭

communicate

i think rather not in case rob doesnt

orots

omg i can finally do this

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devilmine

lmao

autonick Ill announce tomorrow

gecko4

can i share that this will happen by chance, not that important but some friends in a priv server happen to be talking abt it rn lol

kirichux3

yeah I only noticed cus i just went through demon rates rn and just had it come to my thought

😭

autonick

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

brehhh i was thinking "damn they asked me for this and havent used it a single time"

gecko4

hype

works

kirichux3

yeah it works GG

autonick

peep now

kirichux3

unfortunate I thought you just forgot, i only remembered rn somehow

autonick

throwing

brehhhh I did it right when it came up in chat

kirichux3

maybe just wrong perms set but yeah i cant

oh lmao

gecko4

can’t do it rn

autonick

😭

kirichux3

I personally cant so idk

autonick

i was lowkey wondering why yall werent using it

i thought i did

kirichux3

also @AutoNick reminder to allow react perms in # unknown-channel , cause you said youd be up for that

autonick

we shall see

or never

depending on what rob says it's either gonna be august 15th

kirichux3

fire

autonick

Ill announce tomorrow

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kirichux3

and just to limit confusion

I agree, doesnt even have to ping or anything it can just be an acknowledgement

gecko4

announcement wouldnt need a hard date or even any mention of time but just an acknowledgment of the contest ending & judging beginning would be nice (edited)

kirichux3

I guess its just wait and see if rob finishes 2.209 soon

autonick

so i was like "meh dont need to rush judges as much"

but then 2.209 got close

gecko4

just confirmation that things are moving

ivyteal_ i think for the previous 2 contests the results were set a week after the deadline so i assumed it w...

autonick

ye it was originally planned like this for this one too

devilmine

communication

yeah any announcement would be good

howard_subwoofer

Yea

gecko4

yup thats what prompted my message

autonick

i saw some ppl on twitter thinking we forgot

gecko4

just so ppl know its like . happening 😭

gecko4 is there a planned announcement for the Duality Gauntlet results plan any time soon?

ivyteal_

i think for the previous 2 contests the results were set a week after the deadline so i assumed it would be the same this time, i didnt even realize the date wasnt announced yet

autonick

maybe

autonick judging is still happening rn

gecko4

would it be worth announcing a “thank you for participating, judging has been underway for some time and we will keep you updated on when the results will release”

howard_subwoofer

Its ass but i think its better than waiting a long time for the results

autonick

so it wouldnt have been tomorrow either way

judging is still happening rn

kirichux3

I mean its not the end of the world yea, it just comes off as unprofessional and clunky from rob

gecko4

rob gotta get some placeholder sprites

kirichux3 having a re-run of the past would not be ideal though, that was like a Long wait

howard_subwoofer

Eh its alright i think

kirichux3

yeah fair

asap would be ideal, maybe a week wait at most imo

autonick

waiting for more info from rob

so ye it's a little ass right now

howard_subwoofer Think its alright if people have to wait for the actual gauntlet

kirichux3

having a re-run of the past would not be ideal though, that was like a Long wait

gecko4

yea i think results sooner would be better

autonick

😭

but also dont want to wait 2 months for results

howard_subwoofer

Can do results and just say the gauntlets will come out with the next update

autonick

like it would be nice if they released at the same time

but that doesnt really matter for the results

howard_subwoofer

Think its alright if people have to wait for the actual gauntlet

kirichux3

ah

autonick

need update

kirichux3 will the gauntlet need to release with the update?

autonick

the gauntlet art isnt in the game rn

autonick

then also ass

but if we wait and he doesnt drop

kirichux3

will the gauntlet need to release with the update?

autonick

thats ass

like if we do results saturday and rob drops update 3 days later

but that also includes the unpredictable factor: robtop releasing an update

2.209 is closish, and i kinda want to make it work well with it

it's not super set atm which is why there hasnt been one

gecko4

since we got them for the RGC and previous, ppl are wondering where this one is

is there a planned announcement for the Duality Gauntlet results plan any time soon?

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g.ben

thats a shame, i hope he'll have the time to apply again in the future 🙏

swtcyn

I won't be sharing my private dm's with Raivolt, but I will inform that he wants his Mod application to be (in a sense) ignored. He won't actually have the time he thought he did and has other personal reasons as to why he doesn't want to be a Mod. (edited)

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incidius

But I dmed you it anyways

Yeah no I just gave him my opinion and said its not up to me lol

zhenmuron

ye i just hope we didnt give the impression of certainty

mbed

its just pretty observably breaking the difficulty constraints

i mean regardless thats out of peoples hands

zhenmuron you didnt tell him it might get dq'd did you

incidius

I can dm you the conversation if you want

zhenmuron

you didnt tell him it might get dq'd did you

incidius

Impossible to nerf to easy demon without reworking a lot of the level lol

Yeah that’s what I told him lol

gecko4

i really dont think a version of the level exists that is easy demon with the 2p gimmick

that’s good

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electro325

out of the entries I've played its my one mythic so far

gecko4 it’s tragic honestly

electro325

yeah unfortunate

gecko4

it’s tragic honestly

mk2 gameplay wise is my fav entry it’s so fun

kirichux3

I am super in favor for exceptions but yeah when its as egregious as mk2 it doesnt feel fair

gecko4

so if an exception was made for it then it wouldnt be affecting other hard demon entries

to be fair this time around i think mk2 is the only example of a level that just objectively is way too hard

arcanin

I don’t think it’s a bad thing to put more hard demons in tho

orots

arent there multiple already?

gecko4

yea

agsilver.

so like

orots

if the themes didnt inherently incentivise harder gameplay as evident by the absurd amount of 9 stars it wouldnt be a problem

agsilver.

im pretty sure though rob doesnt want anything harder than medium in gauntlets though

gecko4

and i would send a 20s 8 for like 5-6

four color was like beating 4 20s long 8 stars for me

orots

idk thats why the hard cutoff being 2 difficulties higher would be just more flexible

mbed <@268369054199185408> we simply use a different part of our brains

devilmine

possible yeah

gecko4

i sent fct for 7* 😭

devilmine okay but lowkey i still find four color theorem being insane insane lowkey

arcanin

I sent it for demon

mbed

@Devilmine we simply use a different part of our brains

devilmine

i could not beat that level

okay but lowkey i still find four color theorem being insane insane lowkey

gecko4

i sent for 8

agsilver.

i found ivyteals easier xd

kirichux3

I sent the ivyteal level for 7 stars and then i saw others play it and i was like o

mbed

lol

i also found ivys way harder than novaform

arcanin

same

gecko4

i sightread that one

devilmine

i have no idea what happened there to me 😭

even tho its also 2p

i thought that shit was demon and struggled so hard on it

cuz with ivyteals level right

even today

arcanin

I don’t see a universe where it would be insane

devilmine

or like

kirichux3

I think post-nerf project novaform is a 9* and pre-nerf is an easy demon but i can see all the complaints about it being too hard for qualification

devilmine

nah lowkey i dont get it till today

agsilver.

my mind was boggled, it took me like 45 attempts on my practice run LOL

arcanin

idk you’re cracked

devilmine

i beat it in 2 atts

idk im a massive outlier tho

ye

arcanin

no yea I meant pre nerf mb 😭

devilmine

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the hardest version of it

arcanin did you beat it post nerf?

devilmine

no like on release

devilmine i thought novaform originally pre nerf was an 8*

arcanin

did you beat it post nerf?

agsilver.

but again this boils down to the deadline thing for me (edited)

devilmine

i thought novaform originally pre nerf was an 8*

gecko4

i just couldnt figure out the 2p gimmick for so long it was way harder than any 9 stars i’d played (edited)

agsilver.

post nerf i could accept it being a 9 star, before hand, not really ;w;

gecko4

i beat it post nerf

agsilver.

it got nerfed into the ground post deadline teehee

gecko4

i thought novaform was medium

damn rly

gecko4 specifically 2.2 levels cus ik pre-2.2 has genuine hard demon 9 stars

arcanin

yea I’m talking 2.2

1nfra If you are gonna end up being accidentally rated Easy Demon you might as well accept that *that* hap...

orots

^^^

arcanin Even when it got rated I don’t think it would be in the top 50

gecko4

specifically 2.2 levels cus ik pre-2.2 has genuine hard demon 9 stars

agsilver.

to hear what they said about the layout, and accounted for difficulty 2+ for when i decorated

for RGC, i had playtesters for the LAYOUT phase

devilmine or get people to playtest the layout and cautiously give a rough estimate of +2 difficulties for you...

agsilver.

YEAH

devilmine

making it harder to read

gecko4 novaform is one of the hardest 9*s of 2.2

arcanin

Even when it got rated I don’t think it would be in the top 50

1nfra

The downgrade felt like artificially conforming to a difficulty rating (edited)

agsilver. Like ima be real, one day before the deadline, you can get some people ot playtest THEN already to t...

devilmine

or get people to playtest the layout and cautiously give a rough estimate of +2 difficulties for your style

agsilver.

atleast get a grasp so you know

1nfra

(Saying this about robtop)

agsilver.

Like ima be real, one day before the deadline, you can get some people ot playtest THEN already to tell you even if you arent done building (edited)

1nfra

If you are gonna end up being accidentally rated Easy Demon you might as well accept that that happened

Like honestly

gecko4

novaform is one of the hardest 9*s of 2.2

devilmine ESPECIALLY cuz the same thing happened before already

agsilver.

^^^^

1nfra Im gonna be completely blunt here, and I have said this before, but as much as i love project novafo...

gecko4

yea 😭

agsilver. no hate, but then you should plan better ahead for this..

devilmine

ESPECIALLY cuz the same thing happened before already

1nfra

Im gonna be completely blunt here, and I have said this before, but as much as i love project novaform, seeing it get rated Easy Demon by RobTop and then getting downgraded to a 9 star was quite embarrassing second-hand. MK2 is likewise a really good level but it falls into the same pitfall as Project Novaform, maybe even more so.

arcanin people are upset when the level is a little unconventional

orots

ya

gecko4 dolphe once again crammed at the last second to finish on time and had no time for difficulty alteri...

agsilver.

no hate, but then you should plan better ahead for this..

gecko4

but good that there were efforts to nerf

i beat quicksilver post nerfs and it’s still solid medium imo

agsilver.

before the deadline.

they overshot it, and then accounted fo rthat trying to fix it

kirichux3 for something like quicksilver, in which it had playtesters and was fairly discernible, i can agree....

gecko4

dolphe once again crammed at the last second to finish on time and had no time for difficulty altering 😭

arcanin

people are upset when the level is a little unconventional

agsilver.

i will say with quicksilver i know it was being nerfed even before the deadline, which is respectable

orots thats why i think learnier easy demons tend to get pushed to medium demons

arcanin

yea cuz easy demons can be beaten in 5 attempts or less no practice nowadays

gecko4 i think best case scenario we give the potential medium demons (and all other winners) time to nerf ...

kirichux3

for something like quicksilver, in which it had playtesters and was fairly discernible, i can agree. but in the case of mk2, its ridiculous. no set of playtesters would agree that that is an easy demon

orots

so it dont matter much

arcanin

I could see it being easy but medium makes more sense

orots

cuz theyre learny

arcanin easy medium demons are 90% of the time easy demons that are missrated

orots

thats why i think learnier easy demons tend to get pushed to medium demons

devilmine

idk i just think its shit that ppl who actually try to account for the rules get punished for it

arcanin

yea quicksilver is hard

gecko4

but it could definitely be easily nerfed

but like quicksilver is easily medium demon too

agsilver. its not impossible to say how hard it would be, a general audience can easily grasp it and im sorry ...

gecko4

mk2 is leagues too hard yea

agsilver.

if you dont want to overshoot it, start off with your level being easier, its not that difficult

devilmine

its in the boundaries of the contest

so its okay

and got it in a reasonable difficulty range

in that case

orots like the difference between non demons and up to easy medium demons isnt that huge

arcanin

easy medium demons are 90% of the time easy demons that are missrated

orots u can accidentally do that even if u aim for lower non demons imo

devilmine

that is fair but they accounted for it

agsilver.

its not impossible to say how hard it would be, a general audience can easily grasp it and im sorry but there are mods here who are saying its hard demon like

gecko4

and they’re gonna have to make the results

agsilver. but this just isnt fair

gecko4

the issue is the levels arent rated yet so its impossible to say how hard it will be

1nfra

If they couldn’t do that in time that is on them

gecko4 i think best case scenario we give the potential medium demons (and all other winners) time to nerf ...

1nfra

I disagree. They had time until the deadline to make nerfs

orots

like the difference between non demons and up to easy medium demons isnt that huge

gecko4 i think best case scenario we give the potential medium demons (and all other winners) time to nerf ...

agsilver.

but this just isnt fair

gecko4

i think best case scenario we give the potential medium demons (and all other winners) time to nerf before they are put in gauntlet and essentially update locked

orots

it was supposed to be a 7 star

i sent hauxz entry for 9 star almost demon

devilmine i think it should just not qualify if its like anywhere above high end easy/very low end medium

orots

u can accidentally do that even if u aim for lower non demons imo

mrspaghetti

😭

devilmine

especially because u definitively have an advantage in terms of gp creativity with it

mrspaghetti Lmao all levels with a playtesters list in the endscreen have a bad gameplay

arcanin

6 playtesters with the worst transition you’ll ever see in the middle of the level (edited)

devilmine

punished for it

gecko4

yea

devilmine

tried to push too hard

u played with fire too much

ngl

i think it should just not qualify if its like anywhere above high end easy/very low end medium

arcanin the name being in the playtester list is more important than actually bringing up issues the level m...

mrspaghetti

Lmao all levels with a playtesters list in the endscreen have a bad gameplay

orots

most people expect to sightread easy demons atp

arcanin 9-10* should be obvious but with easy demons getting easier and easier it muddies the line

orots

i also think thats an issue

arcanin

it doesn’t help that most 9* are underrated too

gecko4

i would be so down for mk2 placing regardless of the difficulty but i know that would be unreasonable given how far it overshot

orots

im not trying to discredit people that shot lower to make absolute sure they dont overshoot it but i rly think the hard cutoff should be like 2 demon difficulties higher

arcanin

9-10* should be obvious but with easy demons getting easier and easier it muddies the line

orots

with how subjective difficulties can be i really dont think u can gauge something from even like 9 star to medium demon very well, even with playtesters who play your level a lot

arcanin

and as a result glaring issues pass through with no one realizing (edited)

exactly

arcanin people treat it as a clout thing

agsilver.

its cause people make having their name be in an endscreen or description a clout thing too 😭 its "free publicity" ig sjkjsfk

arcanin

people treat it as a clout thing

agsilver.

i do like 3 playtest runs roughly if not more, 1 for a blind run of the level, 2 for more in depth evaluation of the individual parts and deco feedback. and then last couple ones for skips and bugs and anything i missed

arcanin

the name being in the playtester list is more important than actually bringing up issues the level may have

devilmine

like as an example better indicating jumps by actually clearly communicating something kills you

do multiple, check readability think about stuff a lot

when i playtest stuff i like

yeah that as well

arcanin

people call doing one practice run playtest (edited)

imo playtesting means nothing these days

arcanin the problem is that levels that overshoot still make the gauntlet, like project novaform being rated...

agsilver.

im still so confused and annoyed by this, cause this level was being constantly updated after the deadline too like, it ended up with a version 33 before results 😭

howard_subwoofer Eh sometimes its hard to say how difficult your own thing is even if its playtested

agsilver.

with your own personal project, sure i agree, people tend to overshoot/undershoot their own stuff because they are familiar with their gp and stuff. However if you have a good amount of people playtesting your level, like personally id get like 5 - 10 people and even then like telling me that these people cant tell you this? unless these people are just blatantly wrong and confirmation bias'ing it

arcanin

there are no consequences for overshooting difficulties because if the level is good enough visually it will still make it in and even have its rating adapted

agsilver. like in this day and age the quality of levels that are winning, id expect the creators to have the ...

arcanin

the problem is that levels that overshoot still make the gauntlet, like project novaform being rated demon at first and ONLY being rerated to 9 because of the gauntlet’s requirements (which it overshot) is still baffling to me to this day

devilmine

u gotta get a broad range of playtesters

it would result in it being misjudged obviously

if u have 2p gimmicks and u ask like good 2p ppl on their opinion on a level

important to consider

get a shit ton of playtesters, different skill ranges too

like im talking

and make sure that the difficulty is right

howard_subwoofer Eh sometimes its hard to say how difficult your own thing is even if its playtested

devilmine

Im sorry but if u make a project of a scale like this u should get NUMEROUS opinions on it

howard_subwoofer Eh sometimes its hard to say how difficult your own thing is even if its playtested

gormuck

idk I feel like a good playtester should be able to tell without too much trouble

devilmine where ppl who made INSANELY borderline levels and pushing the rules had a large advantage

orots

thats true

howard_subwoofer

Eh sometimes its hard to say how difficult your own thing is even if its playtested

devilmine

due to the nature of being able to push the theme alot more than others

where ppl who made INSANELY borderline levels and pushing the rules had a large advantage

this was a big issue with RGC already

and others get rewarded for going for something harder which inherently also allows the exploration of more interesting concepts too

agsilver.

like in this day and age the quality of levels that are winning, id expect the creators to have the knowledge to know not to overshoot it

devilmine

ppl put a lot of time and effort into making sure to aim for the right difficulty

idk it still feels unfair

agsilver. im sorry but like from the perspective from someone who participated in a contest, it fucking sucks ...

gormuck

^

autonick

> Difficulty: Harder 6 Stars to Easy Demon 10 Stars. Auto, Easy, Normal, Hard, and Medium–Extreme Demons are not eligible. However, levels that are borderline Medium Demons may still qualify at RobTop's discretion, but we recommend not risking your level being disqualified for being too hard.

orots i genuinely think a rule like "stick to 6 star to easy demon but your level still qualifies even if ...

autonick

it is pretty much exactly that rn

howard_subwoofer

Just what happens when you try doing cool but unintuitive dual gameplay

agsilver.

im sorry but like from the perspective from someone who participated in a contest, it fucking sucks making sure that your level is within the specific difficulty range with deco in consideration just to see levels that clearly didnt care about that and are harder make it into gauntlets. Its a gut punch really cause whats the point of having the difficulty requirement at all then

devilmine

which inherently makes understanding stuff harder

in their style

especially ones that have very unique shapes

howard_subwoofer

I do think some people flew too close to the sun

devilmine i lowkey thought it was a hard demon

tygore

same

devilmine

some ppl have to realize and account that some styles will be harder to read and play

gormuck

no need to make something bordeline in the first place

I'm gonna be rude but if you can't make something of the right difficulty it's a massive skill issue and you shouldn't qualify that's all

devilmine

like very solidly

😭

i lowkey thought it was a hard demon

orots

i thought it was hard easy demon idk

tygore

and it's not even the first time for dolphe

I agree with borderline levels, but mk2 is not even close to borderline

orots

i genuinely think a rule like "stick to 6 star to easy demon but your level still qualifies even if it gets rated a demon difficulty higher" would fix this but at the same time people might then start aiming for medium demon gp to begin with which is tough

like u can tell if a level was shooting for a certain difficulty but ended up being harder after finishing off visuals (mk2 imo) or if it was meant to be harder from the getgo (deep echo)

i dont think its as trivial of a task for large scale projects, like i sent 90% of entries for 1 or 2 stars higher, and demons rely purely on general consensus too so its really weird for levels that are borderline

devilmine

yeah like u cant overshoot it this much 😭

gormuck

extremely true

polarbeahr

if you cannot manage it, I say the entry should be disqualified

Gameplay is the core of GD and it should be the #1 priority that your level is fundamentally able to join the contest

It's trivially easy to make non-demon gameplay especially with months of work in the bag

izyraaa

worried we're gonna get like 4 medium demons in the gauntlet even tho it was specifically disallowed

i wish judges were more strict on their rules in general

if it is allowed it prob shouldnt be

kirichux3

id imagine thats still visually updating the level and therefore wouldnt be allowed/counted into the final judging, but im not 100% on that

joris_0

past gauntlet deadlines, are creators allowed to remove objects from the level? ie; shaders.

imdrane

yess that would be insanely cool

autonick

Can see about setting it up for next one 🙏

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agsilver.

duuuuude a website with the countdown would be so fire LOL

ivyteal_ countdown on geometrydash.com 👀

orots

that would be so fire

autonick

Need rob to do

devilmine

someone should pitch that to rob lowkey

autonick

„Easiest“

Would be easiest

true

devilmine

True actually

ivyteal_

countdown on geometrydash.com 👀 (edited)

devilmine

so it isn't as confusing

but just as a website or something

Something like @time

it would probably be good using a link or something that just shows the exact time where it ends locally

autonick

yee

ivyteal_

yeah a timestamp in the discord announcement won't hurt it'll just be a bit more convenient and people on discord won't have to convert time

autonick

Without a bunch of announcements or extra channel or whatever ppl have to hunt infos from

So it’s all at once place

Including timestamp in video post announcement seems like the best solution for the future

Which always felt a bit disorganized to me

For previous ones there was a channel in GDS or some random announcement later

I think it’s good to have all info in the video

Sure for future contests can include a timestamp in the initial announcement post

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orots

especially that the last contest ended at a different time some people in that timezone were confused

ive seen a handful of complaints about it

ivyteal_

i think it should be done for the future contests

agsilver. its not needed but like also, it doesnt hurt to add it, idk id prefer to avoid having the chance to ...

ivyteal_

yeah i agree

kirichux3

LOL

my cat stepped on my keyboard 😭

k'

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incidius

well just thought I'd bring it up here since I've had a few ppl ask me about what time the deadline is

agsilver.

its not needed but like also, it doesnt hurt to add it, idk id prefer to avoid having the chance to have people get things wrong. I think for future though timestamps could be used

autonick

Says the exact time in both yt desc and submission form

Not needed imo

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incidius

Hey, pls could we have a news message in gds that contains a deadline reminder with the exact timestamp for the duality gauntlet deadline? This would be useful as it would help avoid any confusion about the exact time of the deadline today. I checked the previous 3 gauntlet contests and they all had a timestamp deadline message. There hasn't been one yet for this contest This timestamp is the deadline if you want to copy: <t:1785708000:F> (edited)

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auskgd

I love starter hes such a brother

was talking about that a few days ago

he finally got a pc

devilmine https://x.com/startergd/status/2083671846365344254?s=20

auskgd

yesssssss

swtcyn

Nice! Seems like he's just playing for the fun of it. x)

devilmine

interesting

https://x.com/startergd/status/2083671846365344254?s=20

starter (@startergd)

hi, its been awhile\. made a new twitch account where i plan to stream GD stuff including stargrinding and even level requests if possible\. would greatly appreciate any support :\) https://t.co/vhfs5ajuV9

spycold

i mean tbf i always thought gds had that hacking rule just to stop those people who try to flex their illegitimate stats and they claim they beat society or whatever. not really like aruna or (originally) zoroa who dont do that and arent claiming to be legit (edited)

swtcyn Also stated that they had leaderboard mods check their stats with said hacked Extremes and they told...

gecko4

idk how airtight gd hack detection is but it wouldnt surprise me if macroing a level bypasses it

swtcyn

Personally don't know Arunaa too much to judge whether or not they're over exaggerating.

swtcyn Also stated that they had leaderboard mods check their stats with said hacked Extremes and they told...

swtcyn

To clarify, they didn't elaborate on which lb mod(s?) said this so this could be false. (edited)

zhenmuron case by case and

swtcyn

Fair enough then, yeah no when I heard about it I was low-key confused because the main focus for me was "how tf are they tracking over 1 million people?" It now makes sense.

swtcyn

Also stated that they had leaderboard mods check their stats with said hacked Extremes and they told them that their account was fine.

zhenmuron

just when relevant

we cant possible automate it either so ye

it is impossible to fully enforce such a rule

case by case and

yeah idk

ic

swtcyn

Not necessarily, someone named Arunaa was making remarks saying people were getting banned from GDS for hacking stats and they were talking about how they hacked 10 Extremes, but then later removing the completions without actually doing a full reset.

zhenmuron

is someone u know lb banned or smth

swtcyn

Understood. Won't comment on it further then. Appreciate the info.

zhenmuron

since it is fully against our rules

or leave this chat

but this is not to be made public

or if someone is flexing their stats in chat that are clearly fake

we dont seek it out but if someone reports it to us then we ban

not automatically

swtcyn

Sounds like a stupid question admittedly since idk how tf you'd keep up with over a million people, but I've been told by others they got banned because they hacked stats.

Question, when people are leaderboard banned do they get kicked/banned from GDS?

landongmd

the worst part is all those slop gd news channels are prolly gonna talk about it and get more eyes on it

augh

gormuck

💔

liathecat they dmd me for the update lock and called it a slight deco and gameplay update

imdrane

LOL

gecko4

the ID for the original that should be rated instead is 120941671

nothing else was getting the level enough attention to get it seen & unrated

dont even blame them for doing this

why is it so hard to get anything done 😭

and i brought it up here twice

i tried to get this level unrated per creator request like 2 months ago now

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1kreno this 5* was updated to be society ❤️‍🔥

gecko4

this could have been prevented if rob didnt skip my dm about it!!!

orots

buffed from 4 to 5 star it felt too easy

liathecat

just a 🤏 slight update

kirichux3

they didnt lie about that

it is a deco and gameplay update

liathecat they dmd me for the update lock and called it a slight deco and gameplay update

kirichux3

i mean

liathecat they dmd me for the update lock and called it a slight deco and gameplay update

orots

LOL

1kreno

amazing

liathecat they dmd me for the update lock and called it a slight deco and gameplay update

1kreno

liathecat

nice one

they dmd me for the update lock and called it a slight deco and gameplay update

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1kreno this 5* was updated to be society ❤️‍🔥

liathecat

fucks sake

1kreno

because the level was stolen and it got rated

this 5* was updated to be society ❤️‍🔥

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kazvixx

sarin would object

howard_subwoofer First?

izyraaa

being shadow elder mod doesnt count mr woofer

howard_subwoofer

izyraaa first shadow mod 👁️

howard_subwoofer

First?

g.ben

i love raivolt so much, hes actually such a blast being around

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g.ben

omg yess

gecko4

facts

swtcyn

Real and true. 👀

agsilver.

lowkey drop the app here rn

izyraaa

first shadow mod 👁️

lets do it now im sure nobody will notice

arcanin

promote him already

liathecat

please

izyraaa

get this man back immediately

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izyraaa

about time 🙏

zhenmuron

same

mbed

i think we should deny all incoming mod apps

swtcyn

Happy to see/hear Raivolt's going to get back into the swing of things now that he has free time. Looking forward to seeing his app.

just.starr_

interesting

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kirichux3 why is this a demon ? am i crazy or is this just the easiest demon by a landslide now

1nfra

Didnt get a chance to beat it yesterday but from how far i went this is like 8 stars max

kirichux3

red alert is also down there yeah, the only thing that makes that closer to 8-9 are the waves

relicsong

basically the whole top 50 of this should not be demon rated

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ny3Y8pS37YPKjgKXdjQHd3KdxO9IXG_YYPzYnEDipXk/edit?tab=t.0

Easiest Demon List

Easiest Demon List (our server!) In-game main list: 2111 In-game extended list: 2491 Main List: Elaboration by Split72 (100597563) The Nightmare by Jax (13519) THE LIGHTNING ROAD by timeless real (55520) Luminescent by Nova4664 (81863904) Dyson by Polarizing (113395417) Platinum Adventure by Jer...

most notably lvls like red alert

i still think there are easier ones

but it is very easy for demon

mostly cus they requested demon and i also wanted them to have a chance of rob seeing it in a normal ratewave

kirichux3

i can see 7-8 yeah

relicsong

it was prolly 8 star (edited)

i dont remember what i sent it for

kirichux3

so it is an actual problem

people will beat lvls like this then shit on actual demons cause theyre "too hard" or too learny or wtv

normally if its like a really easy demon i wouldnt mind but this is genuinely just not a demon so it should rlly be rerated

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1kreno

yeah its more 8*

incidius

I'd say rerate to 8*

can a maintenance member pls contact rob to rerate this 🙏

yeah all the comments agree that it shouldn't be a demon

kirichux3

ive never called a demon a genuine 7* but id say it is here

yeah id say 7* like genuinely i dont say that lightly

mbed

😭

i remember 1 attempting it without even paying attention

kirichux3 why is this a demon ? am i crazy or is this just the easiest demon by a landslide now

mbed

it felt like a 6* or something

kirichux3 why is this a demon ? am i crazy or is this just the easiest demon by a landslide now

incidius

okay yeah this definitely should be rerated

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incidius

path walker is easiest because of the 2.1 minigame password system which just let you skip to the end of the level if you know the right code lol (edited)

yeah these are the easiest medium demons if you were wondering

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magboom.

and one of them is a medium demon 👁️ huh

magboom. this level is also super non-demon

incidius

eh this one can stay demon. There are like 150 easier demons according to GDDL

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magboom.

also recent rate

this level is also super non-demon

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arcanin i think there's easier stuff

incidius

according to GDDL, this is actually the easiest classic demon now lol (edited)

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magboom.

but even then, that level is stupidly easy sudoku and it doesn’t require any thinking only board vision

(definitely not playing variant sudoku for over 2 years now)

sudoku is 2 moons

electro325

easiest demons for me are probably levels like akari in gd or sudoku

wouldn't say easiest demon but definitely not a demon either way

arcanin

but it is stupidly easy

i think there's easier stuff

kirichux3

why is this a demon ? am i crazy or is this just the easiest demon by a landslide now

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zhenmuron

but stuff like interpersonal shit that would make it hard for ppl to participate in the team does

like the level dont matter to me

gecko4 if pauze is talkin about these concerns not being reasonable enough to bring up then safe to assume ...

zhenmuron

i think the personal stuff is more of a reason to not promo someone

arcanin

if it’s just « I don’t fw this person » then it’s different imo

devilmine

If 2 ppl anti vouch for not ultra strong reasons that doesnt prevent someone from being modded

gecko4

if pauze is talkin about these concerns not being reasonable enough to bring up then safe to assume it's far from bad enough to prevent getting mod

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arcanin

I feel like it depends if those problems will reflect into their mod position

devilmine

yeahh

Maintanance looks over stuff I think and makes sure about stuff being at least reasonable

spycold

maybe im thinking too deep into it

devilmine

This wouldn't fully prevent anything

spycold

like chloe and lia saying theyve had personal issues with supa while im here like shes super cool is likeeee does that mean shes never getting mod or what cuz thats kinda messed up a bit

it does kinda suck how having personal issues with 1 or 2 mods feels like it ruins your chances too

devilmine

it can at most cause complications or affirm their previous issues

zhenmuron

ye i mainly didnt like how this turned into a talk about these guys blowing up their ability to be mods bc frankly this doesnt do that

gecko4

unless you have anything to add

yea honestly just a 👍 react to acknowledge having read the concern message

arcanin

yea I agree with the not dragging it out

orots

but yea as for relaying potential concerns they are healthy

spycold

that would be nice

devilmine

That is something I could agree on

zhenmuron like this is me trying to understand what happened and voice my own opinion and concern

orots

we can always keep working on minimizing dragging these out when not necessary

gecko4 i cant speak for others but im highkey gonna forget if i see a mod candidate being miserable on twit...

arcanin

oh yea I would forget too

kazvixx

Important stuff about candidates should be mentioned imo, maybe we could go a bit less emotional regarding it, but mentioning issues is important imo

gecko4

i cant speak for others but im highkey gonna forget if i see a mod candidate being miserable on twitter if its like a month detached from the applications

arcanin

but you’re also the chief here

zhenmuron

not me telling anyone off or warning

like this is me trying to understand what happened and voice my own opinion and concern

but also like im not the end all be all of opinions here

no one should be scared to bring up concerns they should just bring them up when relevant imo

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gecko4

^

devilmine

^

arcanin

very bad precedent imo

devilmine

than in the midst of 1k+ messages

arcanin

I just don’t like that now people will be scared to bring up concerns from mod candidates

devilmine

Evidently

Sending it outside of apps arguably exposes more people to it

gecko4 i'm just thinking like what if the one person who knows about this behaviour (in this case, yrax) is...

incidius

I don't really see that happening tbh. The mod readings go on for like multiple days so its unlikely to be missed. And anyways, if there are serious issues with a candidate, most likely there will be multiple mods who have complaints and not just 1

spycold

yeah

devilmine

naturally

orots

the reasons for starting these discussions have been extremely valid imo but they tend to slowly lean towards talking behind someones back as they go on

spycold i think that convo the other day about the one guy who was harassing swtcyn was a bit much even i ki...

devilmine

It wouldn't necessarily ruin chances but if its something consistent then it would lower ur chances

devilmine

but others here seem to largely disagree

spycold

i think that convo the other day about the one guy who was harassing swtcyn was a bit much even i kinda realized that and talked about how i remember how funny i remember their level being. as for supa and arcadiac i think it was just something to bring up for future reference. idk but that was fine with me it was just like a heads up thing. i know supa personally and shes cool and i realize that one little incident like the mailbox thing shouldnt be like OH youre never getting mod now...like im not perfect either too soo like. didnt think that was meant to ruin their chances as mod or anything but maybe thats just me (edited)

devilmine

valid if u think so

arcanin

like during apps I’ll go to sleep and I’ll wake up to 1200+ messages

devilmine

I feel many would disagree

zhenmuron

and i would say no

"is this worth bringing up"

ye but this goes back to like

gecko4 i'm just thinking like what if the one person who knows about this behaviour (in this case, yrax) is...

devilmine

This too

devilmine

I can see that being valid but I think bringing it up time sensitive is important too

gecko4 i'm just thinking like what if the one person who knows about this behaviour (in this case, yrax) is...

arcanin

^ this, absolutely

zhenmuron

imo

not dumped in here with low substance and no evidence

my point is just that it should be brought up when relevant

incidius I think any complaints about mod candidates should be left for the mod readings. There's not much po...

gecko4

i'm just thinking like what if the one person who knows about this behaviour (in this case, yrax) isn't present during mod app discussions? nobody else would know about it and vouch as usual, and it could completely slip by

zhenmuron how do we know these ppl will be candidates

devilmine

Because those people are outwards about it and consistently applied? (edited)

arcanin

considering he reset his stats I’d highly highly doubt he wouldn’t be interested in the position anymore

orots

nearly 100% certain he is

gecko4

idk about arcadiac

supa is interested 100%

zhenmuron

how do we know these ppl will be candidates

ye how do we know this guy is gonna apply again

and i dont think this is enough to make me say like "yeah this person has big problems and shouldnt be mod"

incidius

I think any complaints about mod candidates should be left for the mod readings. There's not much point in discussing it in advance and there's a lot of "potential mod candidates" so these types of conversations could start to flood the discussion chat

relicsong

i think regarding the circumstances of the two individuals here it was a fair thing to bring up, i agree with what gecko said about it being bad if it was just randoms being brought up like this cus yeah it's not productive to the mod team nor is it useful for anyone

zhenmuron

idk i think it is unhealthy for us to keep records of ppl's misbehavior like that

devilmine

so we can be more confident in our vouches too

it underlines issues mentioned before and just solidifies and helps people understand those points too with pointers

zhenmuron

ig i will agree to disagree here cuz i just think this is making a big deal out of small inconsequential things

devilmine

like A LOT

2 people who were highly vouched for

It isn't borderline

arcanin

ye arcadiac would have gotten mod

gecko4

arcadiac even would've gotten it had he not had hacked stats

gecko4 i would see it differently if we were bringing up random stuff like this about random ppl

zhenmuron

this is a fair point

gecko4

but both of these ppl were heavily considered for mod

zhenmuron we just dont want this server to be used for shit talking

gecko4

i would see it differently if we were bringing up random stuff like this about random ppl

arcanin

I don’t think anyone was shittalking

zhenmuron

supa stuff too

and this is borderline imo

we just dont want this server to be used for shit talking

relicsong

that's my view of it at least

cus otherwise it makes it seem like there are secret restrictions on what can be brought up in the general discussions channel which... contradicts the point of a general discussions channel

devilmine

ngl 😭

I dont see much of a point in this argument

Supa as well honestly

arcanin

from what I’ve been told it was happening in a public server

relicsong

ye

devilmine

Its quite important information as it underlines their the issues they have and would be good to make people aware here

howard_subwoofer dont think itd be gatekeeping to not bring up info until its paramount to the conversation

arcanin

I don’t rly see the issue with bringing it up in advance

zhenmuron did the convo about it being bad happen in private

orots

i believe it was a public server the group often hangs out in

izyraaa

in general its just concerning behavior for a potential mod candidate

nah i knew someone in that group who directly told me it was targeted

zhenmuron

did the convo about it being bad happen in private

incidius

I agree with Pauze, I think this kind of stuff should only really be brought up in mod app discussions

relicsong

the two-facedness really makes me doubt it was all a "coincidence"

zhenmuron

no?

like we are assuming the worst case

is it review bombing or a friend group all with similar ideas stating them at a similar time bc it was talked about

gecko4

no this one is about arcadiac

arcanin I feel like it would be worse to gatekeep this info from the rest of the mod team and pretend nothin...

howard_subwoofer

dont think itd be gatekeeping to not bring up info until its paramount to the conversation

1nfra

i believe

we're talking about supa here

that's arcadiac

gecko4

and they were very harsh and uncalled for words

zhenmuron do we have proof of them doing anything unworthy of mod

gecko4

the worst of it (and is worthy of talking abt imo) was the review brigading where they got their entire friend group to bash on the level on hyperbolus (edited)

zhenmuron

bc like

relicsong

ye was thinking so too

arcanin

I feel like it would be worse to gatekeep this info from the rest of the mod team and pretend nothing happened

zhenmuron

do we have proof of them doing anything unworthy of mod

relicsong

i do 100% agree the dogpiling stuff should not be a thing ye

i don't really think discussions should have some criteria on what can or can't br brought up especially if its with the mod teams best interest in mind

i think as long as its viewed from the perspective of "ppl who we are actively keeping an eye on as a mod candidates do something a mod would never get away with", it's healthy to bring it up

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zhenmuron

ye we didnt dogpile really but it was still uncalled for

gecko4

we can all agree that dogpiling is bad but i dont see it in this particular case rly

zhenmuron

hence why ive been so talkative abt it lately

ivyteal_ i agree and i think this happens a bit too often here

zhenmuron

yeah ive said this before but maintenance hears a lot of complaints abt this kind of thing

zhenmuron

to me it doesnt hold the weight of being worthy of discussion here

idk

that does not matter

but "these guys think this level is bad" "these guys think the level is bad but wont say it to the creators face"

zhenmuron bc all this does is turn the chat into "lets have a discussion about how this person sucks"

ivyteal_

i agree and i think this happens a bit too often here

zhenmuron

if someone be doing some really bad shit then ye ok

gecko4 i've just been treating discussion like a place to bring up anything worth knowing about (such as pr...

relicsong

i see it more that way as well yeah

zhenmuron

like

i think that is fair in a lot of cases but not in this one

gecko4

ppl been better at that

if it turns into dogpiling that's bad but it didn't this time around

if discussion is dead then i dont think its a bad idea to bring something like that up

i've just been treating discussion like a place to bring up anything worth knowing about (such as prominent figures/candidates harassing others) and it's not like discussing these things prevents us from discussing more important topics either

relicsong

i get where ur coming from tho

i personally see no harm in mentioning these instances

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from my pov at least

noone's jumping tho arcadiac was just talked abt in the context of mod promos and candidates

zhenmuron

if u have a problem with someone and it gets brought up ur gonna remember

ppl bring up all sorts of stuff from months ago

it just serves as a jumping off point to shit on this random community member

gecko4

cus ppl might forget abt it by next app wave

relicsong

this is the "discussion" channel

zhenmuron

idk bro

relicsong

good to keep an eye on ppl

zhenmuron

like

ig but why talk about it now

gecko4

^

relicsong

i see it as more of a heads up because they were discussed as a potential candidate

zhenmuron

and lowkey i dont even think they did anything remotely worth all that

bc all this does is turn the chat into "lets have a discussion about how this person sucks"

okay well i dont think it is worth bringing up for future reference unless we are actively talking about someone

izyraaa

cuz it was happening at the time, i felt it was good to bring up so it didnt blow over

izyraaa i dont remember what the consensus was on arcadiac (before we realized they hacked) was in regards t...

zhenmuron

this too like i dont think this is worthy of # unknown-channel maybe bring something like this up when we are considering candidates but rn why are we posting this here

zhenmuron

im not gonna comment on supa person stuff that doesnt matter to me rn im just questioning whether or not this level actually matters

how did we get here

like i understand the weird stuff abt the creator but like "realize the ramifications of their actions and built on their character" over mailbox

or did they just make a dumb meme level

am i missing something

g.ben

lowkey people need to stay off twitter, its like the place where they get into arguments and whatnot

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arcanin why do a lot of mod candidates love shooting themselves in the foot for no apparent reason

g.ben

its actually so easy to stay out of drama, i actually dont get how people get into so many of these incidents 😭

liathecat

this further cements my feelings

that being said

1nfra

oh.

kirichux3

due to private reasons, not this incident

1nfra

I mean, if supa takes the time to realize the ramifications of their actions and built on their character ever since i don’t want to devalue that effort. Of course that’s just a hypothetical but still

never..?

kirichux3

yea same, will likely never be in favor of supa being a mod

liathecat

i was pretty comfortably against supa due to private reasons

gecko4

idr

possibly

arcanin

very sure some people cited maturity concerns too

gecko4

and ppl wanted to see if she'd maintain activity

she was starting school like during the app wave she was suggested in

nah the concerns last time iirc was activity

arcanin

this situation doesn't rly help her case

there were already issues with her maturity from past forms tho iirc

orots

this level is genuinely a single weird instance and its merely a petty motivation to make a level (edited)

wrong groups of people can make u keep perpetuating pretty questionable behavior and make u feel stuck not getting a clear answer as to why u were rejected a handful of times (edited)

on the topic of mod candidates sabotaging themselves in one way or another tho i feel like its at least a less severe case than a few recent instances

devilmine

IDK

i think

kirichux3 i wouldnt say randomly cus song maker and supa are friends

devilmine

song maker made it out of a random tweet specifically though

orots unfortunately not even privately because the server that they run and hang out in is fully public

arcanin

😭

orots

anyone couldve joined that vc and seen it

arcanin

havent played that one yet but i heard good things

arcanin the fact they said to tfor1 that their level was awesome publicly while hatebombing it privately is ...

orots

unfortunately not even privately because the server that they run and hang out in is fully public

gecko4

disappointing to know the kind of person they are

its a shame cus they made like the best duality gauntlet entry i've seen so far

yea

arcanin

the fact they said to tfor1 that their level was awesome publicly while hatebombing it privately is crazy to me

gecko4

you can quite easily get your reviews out there and play unrated levels a lot but it takes a certain level of introspection which many people do not possess to be able to look at yourself from an outside perspective and change any negative behaviours you choose to partake in

gecko4 take arcadiac's hate brigade on tfor1 for example

arcanin

yea thats true

arcanin why do a lot of mod candidates love shooting themselves in the foot for no apparent reason

1nfra

Seems to be an uptick in recent times

kirichux3

a lot of ppl mess up like that yeah

gecko4

take arcadiac's hate brigade on tfor1 for example

all it takes is hanging around the wrong group of people to cause you to believe certain behaviours are okay

its not too hard to be a good candidate for mod but in terms of character it's much easier to slip up i feel

arcanin

why do a lot of mod candidates love shooting themselves in the foot for no apparent reason

kirichux3

its not something id hard antivouch on but its something that definitely leaves me skeptical for a little

extremely bad look

imagine a mod doing this with all the context given

orots

shes actively trying for it (edited)

kirichux3

yeah which like

arcanin

is supa still interested in being a mod too

kirichux3

its just a bad move by supa which disappointed me quite a bit

my personal full thoughts are that the levels creation leaves me disappointed and i dont think it should have been rated, but thats not the fault of anyone nor would unrating it be a good option

arcanin

yea dont think its random

devilmine that they randomly found

kirichux3

i wouldnt say randomly cus song maker and supa are friends

mbed

thats so ridiculous

when u make a single joke that is so bad you suffer generational aura debt

gecko4

she made the layout in reply to the song being posted

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which is not offensive really just rude