August 13, 2026
devilmine
It hasn't been more than 2 hours
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I got 3 people complaining about it being a forced resignation already
orots
there was one for the longest time in his server too
devilmine
I will say
kazvixx
I don't wanna say the names but there were people who did do somewhat vip or sub reqs ye
orots
oh yea that
1nfra
I'm struggling to understand how, if a payment option increased chances for all viewers of a stream, then doesn't that kind of nullify chances for everyone since everyone is getting that treatment?
dreameatergd
People are obviously blissfully unaware of everything
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devilmine
stuff like that
there were edge cases of vip requests for server boosts (edited)
orots
did multiple mods actually significantly abuse it?
zryder_
I think itβs more because of that nature of how Tricipitalβs weight thing worked that made it less severe in my eyes. I think with the clarification hopefully itβs clear that finances shouldnβt interact with Mod Stuff at all. Severity still matters to me (like paying for vs what he actually did)
1nfra
I agree that the rule has been circumvented in a way with how people could have access to expedited request systems via being a twitch sub or youtube member, both paid memberships that go to the content creator, but tricipital's model was so much more direct in my opinion. I'm glad to see that there is change barring money from being involved in requests entirely but the fact that it had to take one person exploiting and pushing the constraints as much as possible to reach there makes me uncomfortable
devilmine
The tri Case is definitely a lot more nuanced
orots
but calling that a grey zone is still very generous
orots
the grey zone was just that it increased chances for all viewers of a stream if someone donated to increase everyone's weight, not exactly pay for a send
polarbeahr
Well clearly exploiting grey zones is akin to breaking the guideline. People dancing on the edge of a cliff shouldn't be upset when they fall into it. (edited)
devilmine
Didn't help that big V had something similar too before
and ppl really thinly balanced the line at times
devilmine
There were so many grey zones
polarbeahr
Have I been living under a rock? Not asking money for level requests as a mod seems like a rule that existed since day 1 as far as I know
devilmine
But thats wishful thinking alast (edited)
orots
the community just wants to feel heard on stuff
devilmine
including the very much near 100% confirmation of it being an accident if anything
I think it would not hurt reasking rob about the yrax demotion and see what he thinks with the additional input of the community being largely against the demotion + it being bit too harsh, it would give me good conscience that Rob would just look at it again with everything that was added to it again
kazvixx
Let's be real plenty of people abused it for years cuz it was a grey area nobody clarified
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orots
no shade but that request system was really not it and im surprised it even took this long for something bad to come out of it
devilmine
highkey considering this is already being brought up to rob
orots
i personally stand about where u do too
devilmine
Yeah IDK
polarbeahr
oh dear lord this is scummy
electro325
Why does your token have "bitch" in portuguese all capslocked
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1nfra
I'm of the personal opinion that YraX's demotion was justifiable for reasons that I think mbed perfectly expressed on the day of, but I echo others' concerns about getting demoted without much notice on what accounts you may follow.
I've been made aware of the controversies regarding tricipital and saw how his forms of taking level requests involved paying money to increase chances/stakes and while I get that it's not directly pay -> send it made a lot of people and especially myself uncomfortable, because it feels like a complete exploit of things that were not said about rule 6 at the time. I'm glad to see that there was a rule update to address these matters, but I find it mildly infuriating how one individual can result in an entire policy change (i have not seen tricipital address this behavior in this server) but a lack of awareness of followed accounts from an individual who has admittedly been through the ringer receiving a demotion is quite the brutal comparison. personally speaking I think exploiting a rule to try and squeeze more money out of request systems is even more scummy than following an NSFW/inappropriate account that someone has to go out of their way to see.
zryder_
If I ever get a scam DM Iβm using that
kazvixx
Lemme try
polarbeahr
LOL
devilmine
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it wouldn't be too far fetched
orots
LMFAO
zryder_
Just take the Token bro
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devilmine
With the things he said
polarbeahr
I wouldnt expect that haha
orots
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orots
ofc
kazvixx
Sure lemme turn the antivirus off it kinda sucks
devilmine

i anticipated that due to how it went
arcanin
if his badge weren't tied he would've
devilmine
Not even kidding
zryder_
Like literally there just not being anything new to communicate
devilmine
I expected him to say "fuck yall <slurs>" and leave
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kirichux3
in a way
kirichux3
he kind of did tbh
1nfra
if you guys are open to hearing them
orots
do you want to join my modded terraria world btw
1nfra
I do have some thoughts i want to share regarding the recent incidences
magboom.
he couldve doubled down
devilmine
Low-key
zryder_
I feel like post Viprin tho not much has happened
kirichux3
i dont think swtcyn could have done anything worse after being called out in this chat than what he did π
kazvixx
Worst would be archiving the chat and leaking it
orots
well other than yrax but there are more now
devilmine
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literally just doing almost the worst thing possible
orots
as being much less communicative on the recent issues that have transpired than it actually was
devilmine
He DEADASS left in worst faith possible
devilmine
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arcanin
people think swtcyn left in good faith which is the last thing i would want the community to think
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devilmine
yrax demote was still so brutal that im so not surprised ppl dont want to apply too
orots
yeah i think it ends up hurting the image of the mod team more in the long run
devilmine
I dont even blame them NGL
agsilver.
cause i dont want this to be a "unfair demote" to the eyes of the community, im getting so tired of seeing all this mod drama, not only in public but in my private spaces, seeing my friends not want to be mod and stuff and its geting a bit much sflkhsjf
devilmine
Hope he'll make the right decision
Fair
autonick
He'll make the final call on what to call it
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I'll explain the situation to Rob, including the inital messages, his messages in here now and the one's he posting publicly
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devilmine
Its rather like
Double edge sword (edited)
zryder_
Hey btw this guy is homophobic
devilmine
Yeah
zryder_
But also unprofessional seeming too
I donβt really think calling it out in public would add anything but the surely good PR from talking about it would be niceβ¦
electro325
Havent played a plat in hours, dead mode
orots
wait what is that plat thing i mentioned
agsilver.
but yeah i definitely think that there should be some transparency on this case specifically with swtcyn cause idk
devilmine
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magboom.
wait, they exist?
devilmine
because again I find this absurd (edited)
zryder_
I feel like people want everything and nothing at the same time all the time π
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devilmine
Tbh I really would like to even publicly respond to this and call swtcyn out
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orots
robtop wont demote you because he forgets what a plat is 90% of the time
kirichux3
right
devilmine
and killed my dog
devilmine
You caused me to trip today (edited)
zryder_
Smth prolly
kirichux3
what Did i Do
kazvixx
I already got asked about swtcyn
1kreno
platformers shouldnt exist
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zryder_
I also hate chloe
I can see both options, itβs hard to weigh one over the other tbh
devilmine
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agsilver.
i hate chloe
devilmine
I hate chloe
mbed
anyone else have anything they would like to confess about their opinions on any existing minority groups?
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devilmine
Yeah
magboom.
its so much seperate drama happening all at once that I canβt blame the public for thinking they are connected
kirichux3
so its not being lied to
devilmine
(it is admittedly)
kirichux3
well this is just misinfo cus she was given the option to announce it as a demotion over a resign
devilmine
or generally that communication is still an issue
Many ppl feel like they dont want to apply for mod anymore now because of it
Low-key ive seen so many ppl still complain about Yrax
autonick
including for resigns
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devilmine
What if it gets out or a mod responds to this
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autonick
it will just be "x has been demoted from Advisor"
devilmine
But lowkey
It makes sense realistically
autonick
With Mod -> Advisor change we will most likely stop giving demote reasons altogether
Also I dont think I said this outside of maintenance before
From his decisions in the past he seems to prefer resign over demote
devilmine
Important context
autonick
The decision is up to Rob ultimately
devilmine
Bring it up with what was said here too
zryder_
And Rob too ig
devilmine
ye fair
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zryder_
Can see what others think whenever they wake up π
devilmine
ppl will believe every resignation less and will assume worse for every one coming after
(it will)
This slips out
i mean imagine this
Yeah
kazvixx
2026 is just an extremely crazy year for a mod team
orots
now
so each resignation is inherently less communicative
besides with yrax's demotion people are much more aware that you can be given the opportunity to resign now
dreameatergd
I've seen a couple people in Metro compare this to the YraX situation as in "We don't know what's going behind closed doors so maybe SwtCyn was also demoted unfairly"
devilmine
^^
1nfra
Stand your ground, call that shit out
1nfra
I'd rather be honest about the situation than be passive about it and let information leak through the grapevine. The mod team has come onto fire yet again for lack of perceived honesty and controversy regarding how rules are enforced with the team
devilmine
And this would give a definitive stance in conjunction with ausk explaining it
Theres a lot of questions about why someone isn't getting booted for being like that atm from what I saw
devilmine
Nah we gotta show ppl "Yo we ban for this shit if it makes sense"
orots
agreeing with infra a lot here
zryder_
Which idt will helo anything
Iβm skeptical cause I know putting it as a demotion is just gonna send negativity his way and spark more Twitter stuff
devilmine
Hm lowkey
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1nfra
I fully understand wanting individuals to leave the team on their own terms, but quite frankly with the heinous shit SwtCyn said, and how uncomfortable he made virtually everyone, it stands to reason that he would have been automatically removed anyway. I do not think SwtCyn should be given liberty just because he took himself out before that could happen. Writing it down as an actual demotion would also establish a precedent that this simply cannot happen again
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devilmine
Ngl
electro325
Sorry buddy had to lmao
devilmine
It should be a demotion if he is talking like that
electro325
Ryder: "You know I don't actualy feel tired so ima just wing it"
Ryder the next day:
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zryder_
As in all demotions would just be said as a resignation
orots
well publicly
i get giving multiple mods the opportunity to resign but in this instance specifically it rubs me the wrong way that its not a demotion
magboom.
it feels like that fr
zryder_
We stopped doing that entirely iirc
dreameatergd
"You can't fire me because I quit"
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mbed
i dont think it needs to be specific but i do agree it should be called a demotion for breaking guidelines
orots
i think so too
halapeenyo
It is their choice to speak on it but that doesnβt give me much hope of change
1nfra
EXACTLY
i sincerely feel like SwtCyn's resignation should be pencilled in as a demotion
magboom.
idk but I feel like this one shouldve been a publicly addressed demotion
halapeenyo
βDue to reasons that I donβt feel necessary to speak uponβ
1nfra
Can i be brutally honest about something
devilmine
so yeah π
devilmine
Its absolutely not normal
zryder_
Yeah pls this isnβt normal I promise π π
So ima just wing it
halapeenyo
I hope new mods donβt see this as a normal thing I promise this is not common. Just really crazy itβs all happening at once
zryder_
You know I donβt actually feel tired
devilmine
u gotta get some sleep π π (edited)
halapeenyo
It is a bizarre chain of events
devilmine
dudeeee
relicsong
spidey sense ahh
zryder_
5:40 rn
Iβve been up since like 2:40
halapeenyo
The bladder sensed danger
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zryder_
I stayed around to moderate incase it got out of hand and observe
I woke up to piss and it just happened to be when swtcyn started
orots
so many differing individual instances too
mbed
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kirichux3
he had to piss
mbed
bro ryder why are u awake at like 5 am
zryder_
This time I literally didnβt know
mbed
im highkey baffled at the course of events that transpired so suddenly
zryder_
Like at least when stuff happens I feel like I can at least get an idea of where to start
It really was π
orots
understandably so
devilmine
Its really just unprecedented like π
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zryder_
Hopefully it doesnβt happen again
devilmine
if anyone needs that always willing to help π«‘
Just figured id extend that offer to anyone here really
zryder_
Yeah, especially with it being completely unheard of here Iβm glad you brought it up with us basically immediately
orots
yeah i dont see a world where this couldve been spun into a harmless instance
devilmine
if u need anything i just want to say that my dms are always open, always willing to talk with people or let ppl vent out stuff as I know how important it can be π§‘
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zryder_
The world has people like that but crazy when itβs so close to you
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devilmine
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especially because it was right after the ausk thing was brought up
yeah
orots
thats the most insane part of it
orots
yeah you cant just confess to another mod you have no respect for someone challenging that view who is also a part of it π
zryder_
This
zryder_
Good thing about us all being adults here is in theory we should know what to (and not to) say and when to keep our opinions to ourselves.
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halapeenyo
Insane typo kms
I think regardless of your viewpoints on any social issues it is imperative that you are respectful to everyone else no matter what. You canβt have a functional team without respecting one another (edited)
orots
but if it doesnt inflict harm on others or doesnt stem from the lack of acceptance then i also share the sentiment that ur fine on not caring much for this stuff, since obviously there was a degree of no tolerance for either instance in the earlier discussion (edited)
devilmine
Yeah
orots
this goes both ways because id hate knowing someone on the team secretly doesnt accept who i am, it is indisputably a very destructive opinion to not only hold but to also confess to another mod
devilmine
Its okay to share different viewpoints and holding a bit of a different attitude, something like the Ausk thing is fairly split here and taking one side or another is fine as its more nuanced. With swtcyn I get where u were coming from but overall as u said yourself its just a terrible look and really doesn't match well with both the community and the Mod Team as a whole while those opinions are also just incredibly harmful
zryder_
Just try not to harm people
zryder_
I think youβre fine personally, I think the Ausk situation is a bit more nuanced especially compared to swtcyn. Coming from I felt the biggest issue with swtcyn was him deciding to out another Mod in such an uncomfortable position by saying that. Iβd much rather him keep it to himself and it goes for anyone who may share the views to me
halapeenyo
That is true
kazvixx
I honestly wanna say that I don't wanna stay in a position where I am being secretly hated (in case I am) for defending ausk (which im still standing for) and not caring about swtcyn's views, about last one especially I should've thought better cause the concern is very valid especially if we are talking about a mod team where big chunk of people are LGBT, so it wasn't very good of me to say that, thus I apologize.
relicsong
or modchat gamenight waittttt
hala we gotta do that poker night here to take the mind off it all
halapeenyo
Nobody express any opinions for 90 days please
halapeenyo
We need a timeout
dreameatergd
zryder_
Who woulda thought
devilmine

incidius
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arcanin
HAHAHA
zryder_
Sweet sin
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Someone named βswtcynβ I thought his gun was a little pink himself
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Ima be real too gang
kazvixx
Sometimes its good to be away from discord
1nfra
Jesus christ dude
okay i read up
kazvixx
Ye
devilmine
Havent blocked anyone
Yeah they are only in their server still
kazvixx
Not necessarily blocked
arcanin
yea they did
kazvixx
They probs just removed everyone
They removed me as well
devilmine
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fucking saying absurdly wild shit
Not just
I just kinda expected "surely there was something that explains something else he was trying to say"
Yeah
magboom.
lmao
magboom.
almost good but already the first sentence that he said was super out of pocket
kirichux3
no i was the same when i read that
kirichux3
LMAO
devilmine
Im just baffled how they hid this shit for years (edited)
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so surprised when i saw it
orots
like jesus christ
ngl
i thought he was quoting someone at first
agsilver.
i was
devilmine
This is an exact representation how I felt
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When I woke up I got a screenshot of the DM swtcyn send
like literally
mbed
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bro wtaf
dreameatergd
This is the beginning of the convo basically
dreameatergd
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orots
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1kreno
makes sense
1kreno
ah
orots
yea hold on
mbed
is there a link to the dm
orots
i cant imagine what it mustve been early this year
arcanin
not necessarily that you got blocked
arcanin
if you have no servers in common, this usually shows up
dreameatergd
Yeah
devilmine
not as bad as early this year but generally just a lot more internal
dreameatergd
Biggest I don't know about that, but definitely biggest internally
joris_0
biggest ongoing drama ive seen
yeah been chaotic in here
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1nfra
i told autonick that i'd be gone for 1-2 months and seeing the mod team on fire right now a part of me feels like i was right to exercise this break.
yall take care of yourselves please
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orots
yea + the all mod related things
1nfra
that too
mbed
wait wtf happened
dreameatergd
And the tricipital money bits weight system thing
dreameatergd
Understandable
1nfra
yeah i saw that too
orots
iirc
+ some very nasty things about cuatrocientos
1nfra
im not back per se i am "back" in the sense i was shocked to see what is going on and got back in out of curiosity
orots
yea no idea i was away for a bit too until like yesterday
dreameatergd
Worst possible timing to come back from the break
1nfra
YraX, Ausk, and now i see the shit going on with SwtCyn as i momentarily log in here
ive been taking a break from discord to focus on my health and IRL, but i still use my own personal twitter and im seeing a LOT of docs in the community surface?
orots
cloe
kirichux3
hello
devilmine

kirichux3
not sure i know you too much
kirichux3
who are you sorry
devilmine
Not Correct
devilmine
Correct
kirichux3
it just loaded I am so cool
dreameatergd
This really feels like something people should know but it's not up to me
kirichux3
I can only see this rn cus my wifi sucks im gonna guess its the pizza gif
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dreameatergd
Yeah I've already gotten a message from someone who was concerned and thought SwtCyn had personal problems (I told them I couldn't discuss this matter)
zryder_
Yeah itβs whatever
1nfra
i been away from discord for a few days what the fuck has been happening in the gd community
relicsong
right now this stuff seems very much so an "in the moment" thing
if he feels that way
could make a statement then
dreameatergd
They really trying to find every way to change things that don't need changing anyway
relicsong
id give it a little bit once he cools off
zryder_
Yeah hopefully it just ends there
dreameatergd
This but Discord developers
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orots
whatever the case is i dont think it matters, not acknowledging the problem at hand and leaving a message completely deflecting the issue then dipping from everywhere is a pretty immature response to everything (edited)
zryder_
Oh tapping out
And reset their stats π
But they did leave GDS so they could be tapping out
1kreno
thank you discord
yeah
zryder_
Discord just does that sometimes
kirichux3
kinda weird that discord displays it like this
whizkid05
Or maybe they had a script but then why would you have a script for that
orots
i cant even find the example nvm
kirichux3
yea more likely smth else
whizkid05
I mean it seems more likely than going through the effort to go through every individual person and block them
1kreno
but ive seen this long before private profiles were a thing so i dont think this means a block
orots
private account shows differently hold up
1kreno
it is a thing
whizkid05
I haven't seen that so
kirichux3
"private account" or smth
kirichux3
that would show with a special message i think ?
1kreno
i dont think all my 40 mutuals unfreinded them in an hour
kirichux3
which also still kind of feels backwards
and unadded everyone
whizkid05
That's what I was thinking
kirichux3
oh wait nvm he left my server, maybe he just left everywhere then
1kreno
not sure how discord profiles work
orots
oh
1kreno
it could be they set their profile on friends only or smt
kirichux3
thought so but hes in my server still
magboom.
he unadded everyone and left every server, we have 0 mutuals now and 1 server shared
orots
appears to me too
doesnt this appear when you share no mutuals
kirichux3
I believe an inability to view profile, as well as a lack of badges being present means youd be blocked
agsilver.
yeah i cant load parts of their profile either so
dreameatergd
I'm pretty sure they blocked me too
electro325
I ended up blocking them anyways
dreameatergd
I have only removed them from just about everywhere
electro325
well I saw that too but idk if that means a block
kirichux3
I dont care much to resurface this but i just wanna add that swtcyn had just blocked me a bit ago, which feels kind of backwards. wonder if anyone else also got blocked?
halapeenyo
I gotta read up on discussion 

agsilver.
:3
relicsong
or make a dynamic graph that auto updates
agsilver.
just update it on gds birthday every year
halapeenyo
Maybe Iβll do it tonight then
relicsong
would be sick to just update it similar time every year
electro325
ye update! (edited)
electro325
god that message was awful
halapeenyo
Iβve been meaning to update it
relicsong
lowk
relicsong
@Halapeenyo can we have a 2026 update on this
electro325
hi!
relicsong
Hello Electro
electro325
what in the fuck happened in these few hours I closed discord oh my god
zryder_
Sabbatical
kazvixx
Still waiting for nick to add them someday π
Such as airforce and aeonair
Back then
I did some research on some of the dates
relicsong
sick leave π π π₯
devilmine
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arcanin
extended leave
liathecat
bro took a hiatus
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i thought it was more recent
wait this is a year old already
landongmd
oh what thats good shit
autonick
3 Years ago AutoNick created a timeline of all current and former Moderators, I figured since its been awhile I would update timeline with all the new promotions and updated information\.
The image is too big for twitter to handle so you can view it here: https://t.co/kJEMCwFW5u
Halapeenyo made an updated version a while ago
sleygd
it would be sick to see an updated ver of it
sleygd
does this still exist somewhere
landongmd
i know agh β€οΈ π₯Ί
landongmd
wake up and guy is like gone gone (edited)
heard whispers of this elsewhere as i was climbing into bed
agsilver.
i mean you can dm them
landongmd
its crazy to me that this whole thing basically played out while i was asleep oh god i didnt even get to say goodbye noh :c
mrspaghetti
Bro was helper
polarbeahr
Free trial ahh mod
kazvixx
LMFAO
just.starr_
bro π
kirichux3
LMAO
relicsong
He could honestly be anywhere
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just.starr_
I can see the text tho, pls low the quality
just.starr_
Holy quality
relicsong
LMFAOOO it's worse than I remember
kazvixx
Wait u can actually fill in the dates with this
dreameatergd
Saw "JustL3o" in there too lol
autonick
You can still find spark though
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zryder_
But itβs the fault of others for not telling me
zryder_
I also never asked
I never figured out how people made that
relicsong

Everyone had their blue and green bars and mine was 1 entire pixel wide
dreameatergd
Lowkey aura
relicsong
@AutoNick Do you remember making that one graph of ppl's time as mod that was inspired by the GDS graph
incidius
ohh yeah
dreameatergd
iSparki
zryder_
SparksOmega
incidius
wait what was your name before, I forgot
dreameatergd
Son
relicsong
bro that would have been an insane violation
liathecat
LOLLLLL
g.ben
1.3 seconds im out
relicsong
LMFAO
zryder_
LOL
Like the doctor putting the bullet back if your card declined (edited)
relicsong
DUDE
zryder_
It woulda been so funny if the reset your name
g.ben

dreameatergd
relicsong
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Got the bag and left
And got a name change
autonick
right in time for name change as well
relicsong
I sent like 100+ levels tho
zryder_
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Mod for 4 days
Looking back they really played in your face
dreameatergd
You wouldn't happen to know something about that
zryder_
LOL
relicsong
relicsong
this was fast but nowhere near the fastest
zryder_
I be out here pondering π§
autonick
π
haha makes sense!
zryder_
Iβm to classy to be using π€¨
liathecat
haha
none of the other info
liathecat
oh i was just sceptical of the names mentioned! (edited)
zryder_
Oh you right
orots
damn i didnt know sarin made the mod sheet
relicsong
that made the public realise
autonick
haha i think u misclicked the reaction guys @Lia @Ryder
relicsong
that was the real one
dude wait ur right jerkrat
zryder_
I had some messages I managed to save there
autonick
after consulting the days as moderator sheet made by that super handsome guy it appears MrLorenzo, KeiAs & JerkRat were the first repromotions
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dreameatergd
They fucking killed Skype
zryder_
Brooo
liathecat
π
dreameatergd
Yeah
zryder_
Gone
Skype is down???
dreameatergd
If Skype was still up I'd be able to find the conversation
zryder_
The ZenthicAlpha method (edited)
dreameatergd
Early 2.0 around the same time I got mod
zryder_
Idt anyone does
dreameatergd
Think Airforce lasted maybe a couple months before getting booted for giving their account to Aspiral to have them verify a level which resulted in Aspiral instead abusing the mod status to send levels
zryder_
π
Dude I have no idea when AirForce was mod or lost it
kazvixx
Oh yea
dreameatergd
Also one of the fastest demotions I remember was Airforce
zryder_
Iirc the previous system had no way of resigning or demotions
dreameatergd
Yup
zryder_
But was like inactivity (edited)
sleygd
since yeah general consensus was u cant get it back
i remember ppl being really surprised when it happened
zryder_
A bunch of people were demoted when the system switched to be in game
relicsong
or both
I think wasn't like mazl or usermatt some of the first documented repromotions
zryder_
Unless you mean first negative demotion?
dreameatergd
I think DemonMKer was the first demotion
zryder_
Rob Buck wasnβt the first demotion π
1kreno
R.E. Promo Tion: first moderator to get the position back after resigning in 1972
dreameatergd
I remember this because when I was a reviewer for Jouca people were telling me to push for mod and I was like "I was demoted before so that's not gonna happen"
relicsong
Nah not disp
Even the public consensus was that u can't get it back
liathecat
disp?
who was the first repromo....
autonick
It was basically like you got mod once you not getting it again
relicsong
Ye repromos didn't happen much at all
liathecat
but resigning π
kazvixx
I only know rob buck was first demotion
liathecat
demoted in general makes sense
autonick
or were demoted in general
liathecat
LOL
??????????????
autonick
Ah I also just remembered that for the longest time it was the case that you couldn't get mod back if you resigned
zryder_
In the past I donβt think demotions happened until the in game system existed
polarbeahr
bro ryder remembers when the first human died lol
relicsong
I wonder if resigning was something that was thought of here collectively or someone just brain blasted one day and changed the meta
autonick
Ryder is old he might know who the first resign was
polarbeahr
GPT says its Rustam so it must be true
relicsong
I guess so
autonick
Like if you didnt want it anymore you wouldn't use it anymore
I think it was mostly that they didn't see a need to leave
relicsong
And couldn't just leave
zryder_
Rob seeing your advice
relicsong
Surely for a while they thought they were stuck with the position
polarbeahr
rob
1kreno
elder should become "moderator & level advisor", just moderator doesnt explain the role well enough
relicsong
Like
Sometimes I wonder who was the first mod resignation
magboom.
my first action as an advisor will be to advise that we should return to being moderators
hychie
i have 126 am i okay
liathecat
demoted to Polarbear
kazvixx
Same for elder advisors
polarbeahr
can I be demoted to Modulator please
zryder_
Never know
liathecat
every elder getting demoted
zryder_
Or demotions
1kreno
us getting advisor will be the most amount of prmotions in a day
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(edited)
relicsong

What if u just lie and say u got it today
autonick
shiiiiiiiiiit true
kazvixx
I got geometry dash advisor today
dreameatergd
relicsong
U gotta catch up
liathecat
I got Geometry Dash ADVISOR today!
relicsong
Nick where's the leaderboard mod post dude
kirichux3
I got Geometry Dash ELDER Moderator today!
zryder_
Something feels wrong about that profile
polarbeahr
Amazing idea, one of your best
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W
magboom.
so thats good
I mean the most highly sent plats were rated just now recently
dreameatergd
Yeah that's valid I do that too sometimes
magboom.
some of my friends have huge backlogs of unrated plats and just send them to streams
magboom.
nah I am also not slotting up my own levels for req streams, but some of my friends do that if they want to
relicsong
In that case
Can I transfer my mod tools to sparktwo
zryder_
I think in addition to demotion, your crp should be redistributed
autonick
Heyyyy π
relicsong
Hey
orots
so much positive energy emiting from here
magboom.
mistywalrus is a godsend lol he is more determined to get them rated than I am at this point lol
autonick
thoughts
people with exactly 127 crp get demoted
dreameatergd
I know it's not you sending those because I don't think you're awake at 1am just to send your level in a request stream
spycold
OKAY thank you very much i will do that now!
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relicsong
Shouldve done specifically 127+ if ur real
dreameatergd
Dude lowkey I don't do requests that often but the last few times I did I was sent both your unrated platformers and got them both like π
polarbeahr

relicsong
You bitch
spycold
i was just saying what he said
orots
@spycold imagine this is u --> πΆββ‘οΈ ---> ποΈ
liathecat
send dazzling skyline @ mods
kirichux3
never hitting top 100
lol
I have been #101 on the creator lb for like a solid month
1kreno
spycold
wow
magboom.
even though my level is currently the second most sent unrated platformer level 

kirichux3
oh
orots
IM 10 SHORT YESS
dreameatergd
I'm next on the chopping block aren't I
spycold
@Kirichu im going to examine you
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g.ben
@kreno
magboom.
I dont think sending your own level is bad I just have my own principle about it and I will never do it
liathecat
my name is spycold and i close my eyes and go unconscious for several hours per day just to stay healthy
polarbeahr
Clearly we need to rid of creator point grinders. Any mod with 101+ creator points needs to be examined
dreameatergd
Rest well!
orots
if u like dont time it
spycold
anyways hi! i should probably sleep now ill see what happened here when i wake up its 7 am
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orots
yea i dont think sending ur own stuff is that bad even if i avoid it like the plague
dreameatergd
LOL
zryder_
zryder_
This card looks like the blackbeard slander image
spycold
and i usually feel bad and send more stuff afterπ§‘
dreameatergd
Missed opportunity to send this instead
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Yeh
liathecat
also swtcyn has said here before that if creator points were removed he would quit the game π π like i think it is really evident what his priorities were
orots
im like 100 hrs deep into my level for gd spirits day but itll be late 

relicsong
Just put the object in the editor bro π π₯
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zryder_
I deleted all of them
relicsong
Duuuuude
zryder_
Nop
spycold
i lowkey do that but i do it at dogshit times and not purposely before a ratewave
relicsong
Ryder do u have any old unrated levels
kazvixx
I gotta admit I sent my early 2.0 demon in that system, but never gonna do anything like that again
zryder_
π₯
Just gotta make a level
Iβd do the same
orots
W self glaze β€οΈβπ©Ή
polarbeahr
I actually wanted to bring it up a week or two ago but couldnt find a good moment
arcanin
pure greed
polarbeahr
This was also a reason I called them out for being only focused on keeping their mod status (edited)
liathecat
like you are a mod and have sent thousands of levels, out of which the majority dont get rated. and out of all of those levels, the one that is most important and deserving the most is the thing you made in a couple days last month
autonick
im my biggest fan
i send all my stuff for mythic
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sleygd
i dont usually send my main acc stuff anymore tbf since i dont know what rating to send it for usually π
magboom.
just speaks about character really
ye the private suggestion part is really bad because theres hundreds of cool unrated levels and you must also have like a ton of friends struggling with a rate and yet you choose a recent level of your own
dreameatergd
I've always made sure, if I sent my own levels, that I wasn't the first one to do so because I'd want another mod to see them and be like "Yeah, this is good enough"
sleygd
yk what i mean
and ur using a slot some other level couldve taken
i think mods sending their own stuff in game is fine since theres way more to it but in private suggestions its like inherently restrictive of what gets suggested
orots
cmon
your own levels too like
liathecat
yeah timing the send is the bad part
relicsong
I think that there being a "meta" to get levels rated is the root cause here
zryder_
Dw guys soon as we get that fabled Mod feature update
relicsong
Send timing is ludicrous tho
I think sending your own levels is realistically a non-issue cus you need to be able to judge what you think could get rated and if it happened to be your own level then fair enough
autonick
ye I think it would be good if mods couldn't send their own levels anymore
dreameatergd
I think sending your own levels is OK, sending your own 1-month old unrated level through private suggestions is icky
magboom.
and ive been a broken record about this
devilmine
Yeah
magboom.
the whole system needs to be reworked so timing isnt a factor at all
arcanin
like i requested agile by zeronium yet it didn't get rated and im so confused as to why it wouldn't get a rate (edited)
liathecat
i do think itd be reasonable for rob to implement a system to where you cant send ur own stuff
polarbeahr
if rob cant sightread past 50% he wont rate it 

magboom.
sending your own levels is crazy work
devilmine
the fact that there isn't anything against that is also something
incidius
Does he check all the suggestions then or like only a few? I donβt really get how it works lol
devilmine
(which still needs to be addressed because mods doing that is icky ngl)
relicsong
The other thing is fire
Not the send timing
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devilmine
Tbh iirc swtcyn was also send timing his own levels from what I heard
autonick
then platformer suggestions mixed with high send levels
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dreameatergd
Oh yeah that's happening
relicsong

Rob slot machine RNG
autonick
will wait a bit for duality cc levels to get rated
relicsong
Nah some lvls have been suggested multiple times and eventually got rated
magboom.
@gecko do u still maintain the list to see what was skipped
zryder_
Literally when I first saw it I think I just laughed because I was so confused π
autonick
π
agsilver.
i have been friends with swtcyn and used to hang out a lot around the time we got promoted so like
autonick
rob too unpredictable
eh not rlly
incidius
So can we assume that levels skipped are never getting rated?
agsilver.
yeah i was so taken aback im ngl
orots
hard to rly formally enforce that since the suggestions are entirely verbal
zryder_
So glad this could happen
arcanin
yea sending your own levels is kinda crazy to me
autonick
I think he is done
liathecat
If I was in the same position it would have weighed very heavily on me and I would have been extremely hesitant to bring it up. But with that being said, I would have felt unfathomably awkward and uncomfortable maintaining discussions and general activity within this server along with any other space outside of here.
From personal experience, seeing someone I know is a bad actor continue to remain in spaces and maintain mutual friendships between those who are unaware of the behaviour caused me a lot of frustration and hurt. For your own long-term mental wellbeing, getting this out of the way now is absolutely what is best for you I can assure you
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orots
yea thats perfect
zryder_
I think what made it so weird for me is cause it just came out of nowhere, and initially it felt like some weird quarrel between friends (cause I literally couldnβt think of any other reason why he may have said that)
devilmine
it should just be obvious
incidius
Is rob still rating levels from the last suggestion wave or is he done now?
dreameatergd
I've never sent my own levels it's just common sense
autonick
π
I will just ignore them
well not rlly a spoken out rule
orots
π appreciate it
dreameatergd
BRUH
autonick
ye there will be going forward
magboom.
ye
incidius
Iβm pretty sure that got rated and you when bee crusher got skipped again π
orots
just generally speaking
wish there was an agreed upon rule that no levels by the same person get into the suggestions
1kreno
π
and getting it rated that way is also wild
kirichux3
is wild
suggesting your own 1 month old level to demon suggestion
polarbeahr
yes
arcanin
he did yes
devilmine
π
kirichux3
DUDE i held this back cus it was like not the worst thing ever but this was crazy
agsilver.
with all of this happening, i truly hope we can properly crack down on hatespeech on the minorities of our community. Not only in the community but people on the team here also deal with a lot of this kinda stuff irl to this day and we CANNOT have people who are bigoted and have these kinda views at all.
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magboom.
didnt wanna be me to say dat
magboom.
LMAOOO
dreameatergd
Wait was he actually doing this
zryder_
Like I said, strange situation
orots
idk
zryder_
Ah well
orots
"i dont accept you but we chill"
zryder_
At the very minimum
π
Couldnβt have chosen someone who was close and also not in the community they donβt agree with
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sleygd
ig atleast he wont be using the demon suggestion waves to get his 1 month old unrated medium length demons rated anymore π₯π₯
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orots
i can see it being easier to talk about with someone closer to them
orots
^
zryder_
Idk why he chose him and what the goal was
dreameatergd
I think it stems from having been close friends up until that point, but I'm unsure
zryder_
Like???
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Not to be stereotyping but (edited)
autonick
π
yea
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orots
yeah
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arcanin
also him not mentioning anything in his message shows that he is not willing to take any accountability and grow
polarbeahr
Could be a subconious catalyst
kazvixx
Wait really?
Nah
agsilver.
its assumed so (edited)
incidius
So this happened because of the ausk drama?
incidius
Thanks
dreameatergd
100% same
polarbeahr
I'll just share this here. Their focus on wanting to return as Mod sealed the deal for me.
Not wanting a direct pathway, but what could I do to possibly convince the people on the team currently to have me re-promoted. This will be the only thing the team will focus on and it'll be a "hell no" Every. Single. Time." I'm not new. - SwtCyn
It's the only thing they were focused on, and the only thing they WILL focus on. To immediately backpedal, the dismissals, admitting it was a 'slip-up' convinced me they only were scared about losing the mod status. And for that reason, I will not vouch for their name again.
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agsilver.
TLDR: SwtCyn dmed [REDACTED] regarding some very LGBTQ-Phobic viewpoints that they had been hiding and saying some very heinous stuff. It was then brought up here and then discussed for a long time. Basically resulting in a lot of the people engaging in the discussion being uncomfortable with this. Was a bit of a back and forth with swtcyn trying to defend his words a bit and ultimately led to him resigning now.
incidius
Okay thanks
dreameatergd
Understood
autonick
Resignation
autonick
We appreciate it a lot that you reached out
dreameatergd
Trivial question: will this be announced as a demotion or resignation?
orots
considering the position u were in it was really hard but u still did the right thing
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orots
takes making a very mature decision to do that
liathecat
tldr
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one moment
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arcanin
this is not worded in a way where it could be interpreted otherwise
incidius
Can someone summarise what happened pls, this is a long discussion
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zryder_
π
orots
which i just dont believe at all
zryder_
Despite the transcript being right there
orots
yeah and a lot of saying that he worded it wrong
zryder_
And dismissive at times π
The discussion here seemed focused on him backpedaling
Itβs their battle, they can handle it however. Realistically tho I donβt expect them to change their viewpoints
liathecat
Of course, and I really hope you don't feel guilty over bringing the conversation to maintenance due to how it resulted. It seems as though this decision was unanimous amongst the team and knowing that someone many of us interact with daily was merely tolerating the way we are for the sake of maintaining a position is information that everybody should be aware of. Thank you for coming forward about it
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devilmine
Literally
kazvixx
Coming out with the actual reason would be an important point of their redemption arc if it ever happens
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devilmine
Im glad we got to discuss this here at least
dreameatergd
Counterpoint: I think he understood but his only goal was saving face
devilmine
But ultimately not much of a point to dig further into this or him
agsilver.
but
atleast say he is going to later or something
magboom.
I dont think he understood the gravity of the situation at all
dreameatergd
Actual villain behavior
agsilver.
im sorry but, him not expressing why he is resigning is telling
devilmine
its unfortunately really cooked
Not even saying what he did was wrong or acknowledging anything
zryder_
Like personally I saw it as ok itβs not my job to change your viewpoint. Like if you have those views at the very least keep it to yourself
devilmine
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@everyone Due to recent events which I personally won't discuss I'll be resigning from my Moderator position. It was lovely being on the team, genuinely a lot of great people there. Ausk will handle things from here on out. Cheers guys. π
tygore
It was really unexpected
incidius
Huh what happened
tygore
Nah but fr, even in vc we were making jokes about that with him and he seems to not care, even participate sometimes
agsilver.
well we wont know anymore π
dreameatergd
I hope not
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devilmine
in the team
I hope there aren't more people with viewpoints like these
That is true
zryder_
But like up until today heβs been doing a good job at keeping his thoughts to himself
orots
as bizarre as it is im glad it came to a conclusion
zryder_
Idk where he was going with that
orots
yeah it was a really long one too
zryder_
Ah well
zryder_
Iβm saying π
devilmine
?
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kazvixx
Im next then π
zryder_
Cause literally no one asked
Itβs really giving βno one askedβ π
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zryder_
Itβs just bizarre to me
autonick
ye I think so too
polarbeahr
When they said ''Practically all of what I stated in those dm's I don't believe in.'' it unfortunely made it so clear how they stood into this discussion
zryder_
Yeah I get you
magboom.
ye
agsilver.
not counter, wrong word, but to express not fully supporting the ausk thing as much as others
relicsong
I think it's right to let us hold each other accountable within the team
agsilver.
idk
or was one of the firsts
devilmine
It was unfortunately getting clearer and clearer
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zryder_
I didnβt wanna interject and ask and influence discussion with my Maintenance weight
devilmine
Tried anything for a remote chance of keeping mod
but didn't want to be as upfront here
devilmine
He just stood by it
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zryder_
I was hoping he would say more of why he even SAID that
devilmine
Good to clarify regardless
devilmine
That should be obvious nw
autonick
It was solely for the dicussions and getting this exchange of opinions
devilmine
I like the general approach of letting mods maybe have a bit of discussion around shit like this
autonick
I want to make clear that the intention of asking him to bring it here was ofc not to make him feel bad or forcing him into resigning by pressuring him
zryder_
This was such a weird situation tho (edited)
orots
^^
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relicsong
I hope swtcyn takes this as an opportunity to genuinely reflect and improve
zryder_
Yeah but since it was between Mods allowing the time for a discussion here felt more possible
orots
cuz that dm is quite absurd
i can see it for sure
autonick
But ye this way is more direct than having it run through all of maintenance and rob
I think the demotion would have happened some way or another tbh
devilmine
π
devilmine
Tbf it was to another mod which is also bad ngl
relicsong
Finally something positive for once
zryder_
Prolly woulda been an βimmediate demotionβ if it were done to someone in public thoβ¦
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relicsong
This was a good change
orots
yeah similarly i wanted to get more perspective on the ausk thing with swtcyn privately and they never rly acknowledged it it was a bit worrying (edited)
zryder_
Sorry had to happen this way
kirichux3
both in and out the server
zryder_
I kinda felt a bit bad thi at the start because I understood why Mods may have thought they werenβt being heard but also beneficial that yall get a chance to talk about it
kirichux3
it feels a lot safer to confront and discuss here as opposed to a few months ago
devilmine
I genuinely appreciate that we are able to discuss those things more here
kirichux3
ya theres clear progress with allowing more clarity, while theres still more work to do theres still clear effort in improving and I appreciate yall for making these changes
polarbeahr
So I appreciate that
agsilver.
i do appreciate letting us discuss this and im sorry if i got a bit heated at maintenance and stuff because of the lack of info at first, but i do appreciate giving us the room to give our opinions on the decisions
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polarbeahr
I never felt so safe and secure to share my thoughts here so strongly and confidently, even if it did oppose and regrettably push swtcyn out this way
agsilver.
not to carry on stirring things, but devilmine was so right when talking about how swtcyn was defending the whole ausk things, it really showed their perspective.
autonick
In the past this would have stayed entirely within maintenance chat
orots
even if things got heated i really appreciate everyone here that stood up so hard for this
zryder_
I think in my eyes I wanted to let yall hash it out since it started between Mods and was totally contained to Mods
devilmine
It was honestly
autonick
For mods to be able to discuss and express their concerns about issues
dreameatergd
If there really was intent to let others educate them, it wouldn't have boiled down to this
autonick
We have never really done this before, but I believe it to be beneficial
polarbeahr
youre right, my bad
autonick
Agree with this
devilmine
agree
I ageee
relicsong
I think we should leave the jokes off this channel for now
devilmine
For sure
zryder_
The discussion here was definitely needed
zryder_
I think in all my time of being here this is truly a unique experience
kazvixx
There were never dramas like that before since august of 2023 at least
arcanin
Iβm just so disappointed man wow
agsilver.
this is like back in january im ngl
orots
a lot of stuff happened this week for sure
agsilver.
this week has been hell π
orots
felt π
tygore
You got promoted at the worst timing ever bro
kazvixx
Bad timing
relicsong
The wake-up of doom and despair
polarbeahr
Oh hey Ryder lovely weather today no?
zryder_
Itβs 3am π
g.ben
I've been on the team for 1 month and I've seen more drama than in my 3-4 years of being in the community...
kazvixx
Hi Ryder what's new
orots
hi ryder
zryder_
I literally woke up to piss right on time
agsilver.
gm
relicsong
Hello ryder
devilmine
Despite this shit π
autonick
gm ryder
devilmine
Yo good morning Ryder hope u slept well
dreameatergd
Genuinely turned into a villain on the way out
zryder_
Welp hi everyone
devilmine
π
kazvixx
Im having Danganronpa class trial vibes π
polarbeahr
Welp
swtcyn
I wish you all well.
I'll be resigning. Apologies to everyone if though most if not all will think it's sincere.
@AutoNick
Fair enough then.
kazvixx
I think this goes a bit too far
kirichux3
losing more respect
I think you are perhaps digging yourself into a deeper hole the more you talk
swtcyn
You really can't blame me with how things are going.
polarbeahr
Awful way of looking at it
swtcyn
That's fine, I respect that, you don't know me personally.
devilmine
And its because of you alone
devilmine
Lowkey I'll be upfront, I dont believe you a single bit
swtcyn
Because I can guarantee you, all of you will un-add me, and won't speak to me again.
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Dude. Genuinely I want to talk here for the last little bit since you all are here now.
arcanin
no way you said happily when you're fighting so hard for this position
devilmine
Despicable
You are doing anything to keep ur chances and try and stay mod
devilmine
Sure doesn't sound happily to me
polarbeahr
Right now, with this specific messages too, it shows your only focus.
polarbeahr
Literally, if you followed up sharing the DMs by saying ''I will step down and take time to improve'' you wouldve had infinitely better chances.
swtcyn
I'll happily resign, but I'd still like to talk a bit beforehand.
kazvixx
And just actually not just show yourself improved but actually become an improved version of yourself
orots
show that youve changed your views rather than suppressing them, just a genuine change, it would obviously be a resounding no if not (edited)
devilmine
You are making ur chances a lot worse the longer u try to delay taking completely accountability with your actions
arcanin
the badge feels more important to you than everything else
yea to me its clear you're faking trying to "improve" for the sake of keeping your badge than improve as a person
kazvixx
A few years minimum
I feel like it's take a while
swtcyn
Not wanting a direct pathway, but what could I do to possibly convince the people on the team currently to have me re-promoted. This will be the only thing the team will focus on and it'll be a "hell no" *Every. Single. Time." I'm not new.
polarbeahr
SwtCyn, you've made something very apparant to me. You're sacrificing your respect and reputation here vehemently to desperately hold on to your mod position. I may be wrong on this view and I'm sorry if this diminishes you as a person but I think it's worth letting go of it if it means to hold respect from the team.
relicsong
i believe in 2nd chances, but not within this team
it's not like resigning would "blacklist" you from ever returning to the team, as long as you genuinely show you care enough to improve outside this space, and actually change for the better
arcanin
if demotion wasn't even on the table, the discussion would go a lot more differently
devilmine
,^^^^
arcanin
gonna be real, if you're not even wanting to take responsibility by giving up your badge, then everything you're doing here seems like pr control because you're more afraid of losing this badge than how your words are negatively impacting a good decent chunk of this team
devilmine
But thats just me
And ngl i feel like it should be a full blown demotion and not a resjgn with how you are arguing here
For VERY valid reasons
If u let it come down to a demotion then I won't believe that u even remotely mean anything that u said
If you are truly sorry then resign and show that u understand the jnsane things you said and how it hurt people here
swtcyn
I'm more than aware.
polarbeahr
It's a first step, sure. Good on you. But taking responsibility goes beyond just saying ''I am sorry.''
arcanin
not because you knew your words are reprehensible
devilmine
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Exactly so I'm right???
swtcyn
So why delay it?
swtcyn
The way I viewed it was that it was going to be brought up anyways.
arcanin
you only did that because you knew it would get out anyway
devilmine
It seemed like u tried to be first in this matter rather than being caught
swtcyn
Is me taking it to maintenance immediately not responsible? (edited)
arcanin
to me it makes it a lot clearer that you're "willing to change" just to keep your badge and not because those ideologies negatively impact a lot of people in society (which a good chunk of them are also in this mod team)
devilmine
Did u ever hear about Schroedingers douchebag?
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devilmine
A shame
Yeah
arcanin
idk its crazy to me how little responsibility you want to take while dismissing the whole thing as a "fuck-up" (edited)
polarbeahr
I think you've made your point very clear
swtcyn
I see.
polarbeahr
I don't think it would
relicsong
i think i'm also in this boat
swtcyn
Would most have been a better term there or no?
polarbeahr
That really does it for me. Saying ''Practically all of what I stated in those dm's I don't believe in.'' is dismissive, and just shows are you unwilling to take responsibility for the things you said.
and ask for their opinion on those views
to share your views
You specifically DMd them
polarbeahr
I'm sorry, no. You CANNOT say ''Practically all of what I stated in those dm's I don't believe in.'' like that
swtcyn
Same with noly2k. People who genuinely know me know that in that instance it wasn't me talking. It was, but it wasn't me if that makes sense.
kazvixx
Id prolly suggest swtcyn to resign regardless of mt decision, I don't really remember people here being this concerned about anyone being on the team and you wanting to regain trust by distancing and not chatting here feels more like an attempt to hold on the position no matter what rather than take responsibility.
polarbeahr
We're somewhere between friends and coworkers
Like I said, we operate in a grey area in this team
swtcyn
I obviously do regret with how I spoke to [REDACTED] about it, like that was seriously uncool. Practically all of what I stated in those dm's I don't believe in. And as [REDACTED] mentioned Tfor1, I had talked with Tfor1 in call and he said text is far different from tone during a call and he said he felt much safer with talking about it in call because he could actually here me speak about it how I meant it.
polarbeahr
Because clearly people do not appreciate it
And expect to stay in that team. Or, at the very least, expect to stay in the team that will just let it slide.
swtcyn
Mhm.
polarbeahr
I get that. But like I said, you cannot have both. You can't openly talk about these views in a team where an overwhelming majority inherently opposes those views.
swtcyn
I have no issues with anyone here, I just again fucked up terribly.
swtcyn
I fully understand what you mean more now. It's more than concerning with how I portrayed myself in those screenshot's, but the thing that really sucks is I don't want to leave a team I genuinely loved working with.
polarbeahr
Just some more of my thoughts. Feel free to agree or disagree
polarbeahr
People openly acknowledge they feel uncomfortable. I wouldn't be surprised if more mods chimed in to express the same stance when they wake up that they feel iffy having you here. You have to understand and realise that actively dismissing this by saying ''oh I'll just stop talking'' and ''I will gladly be quiet about it if that improves it'', but you're not adressing the issue. The issue is that you're openly against demographics that make up a majority of the team here. Pretending it didn't happen, or god forbid, saying it was a ''slip up'' defeats the whole issue of why people dislike this situation.
I don't want you to inherently leave. I do not speak for the LGBTQ friends and fellow modulators because I am not part of any LGTBQ thing. I do not wish you ill, I do not think you are a terrible person. But I do think that sharing these views, misguided or not, don't fit into this team. And you can't have both. And I think that, for your sake and as the STEPPING STONE of gaining back trust, that willing to step down and accepting the consequence of having made the team uncomfortable is the first step.
This is not me neccesarily saying ''Get out I want you gone'' but more accurately ''I think taking a few steps away is your best course of action''
swtcyn
That's why I had brought this up here. No point in delaying it.
devilmine
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I just went of the assumption cuz like 8 ppl dmed maintenance about it iirc
Probably
autonick
I think he also wanted to do on his own tho
I asked Ausk about explaining his situation here
kazvixx
Isn't ausk doing it on his own?
devilmine
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Thanks for looking over and making sure
autonick
Ye I can see it being misleading hence why I clarified it now
devilmine
It makes sense obviously with what the goal is
Warned already implied it being the punishment given
And it was the same as ausk presumably
devilmine
It should've been clarified a bit more as the only thing we heard was "He was warned and is speaking about it here"
autonick
It was essentially for getting this progressing quickly. A warning is the least that would happened, which is why it was included from the get-go. Anything above this require more in-depth discussion (and mod feedback like this), and as I said I wanted to get this discussion started without sitting on it for a while prior
devilmine
Especially when it comes to stuff like punishments or warnings
Considering decision are rarely ever overturned
kirichux3
^^ this worried me a bit
devilmine
Which was mentioned by himself
He was warned specifically which made me believe that the decision was already made
Yeah
arcanin
^
agsilver.
It really started to feel like we just arent being heard
Thank you for the clarification
devilmine
makes sense
devilmine
Noted
autonick
I wanted to let this discussion pan out on it's own without any input, however I want to clarify some things since they are relevant right now.
All of the situations that have happened in the past days are still actively getting discussed in maintenance chat, no decisions are final, and things are actively changing and progressing. With so much stuff happening within such an insanely short timespan, we have a lot to discuss.
I asked SwtCyn to bring this up here now, without waiting for the entire maintenance discussion to conclude, since I believe these discussions to be beneficial to both the team and us as maintenance. I believe it is incredibly important this is not sat on for a long time, especially since several mods were already in the know about it when we received a report about this.
To summarise what I am trying to say since I don't feel like I am articulating myself well right now, we are still working on all of this. Your thoughts & feedback are important, and I don't want y'all to feel unheard. This discussion is happening because we believe it is important to not sit on these discussions all on our own.
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devilmine
0 tolerance
If u aren't getting demoted im resigning
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swtcyn
You can believe that for sure, but as stated in my explanation I had spoken to other groups about it and they ended up being completely fine in those spaces. I wanted to get opinions on it from GD players and it simply didn't go exactly like I had asked about it to the previous group of people I had originally spoken with.
devilmine
Sweeping it under the rug is not what I want to see here
Show change happened
Prove it outside of the Mod team, show it publicly
Id much rather have you resign than try to desperately clang onto a space where a decent chunk is part of a minority
swtcyn
I fully agree on this and I do accept that I've messed up greatly here, not trying to make this like a huge cover up. And I'm more than willing to rebuild that trust no matter how long that takes and if me simply not speaking in modchat for a while helps even just that little bit (that's what I can think of atm, plenty more work to be done) then I'll absolutely start with that. I acknowledge I went wrong fully, I've stated that several times in my explanation/ apology. And I know what I had stated was cruel and I was talking without actually knowing what I was talking about. It shouldn't have happened and I'm very sorry about that. Especially to [REDACTED] since the conversation started with him.
devilmine
I agree largely with what polar said here
devilmine
Very much so.
arcanin
i also think you can improve, but it should be out of the mod team
had there been no backlash there wouldn't have been any wanting to learn what the lgbtq community goes through everyday and why mindset like this are why we are still highly stigmatized in society
devilmine
it very much feels like that
Literally
arcanin
im ngl, the "wanting to learn" part is only because there's backlash
devilmine
U had worded EVERYTHING wrong apparently
Saying u worded it wrong is just diabolically not true from everything u said
And what u said here is just insane to me
Everything surrounding what transpired here of you silencing the discussion about a friend being transphobic, asking for no punishment
swtcyn
Devilmine we don't call often so of course you don't.
polarbeahr
sorry text wall!!
SwtCyn, I want to be clear about where I stand on this, because I don't think continuing to frame what happened as poor wording or a misunderstanding really addresses the issue.
What you said wasn't just phrased badly. You expressed views that were explicitly homophobic/transphobic, including being dismissive of people who tried to challenge those views, and at the time you made it pretty clear that you weren't particularly interested in learning or reconsidering them. That's the part I think needs to actually be acknowledged.
I understand that you're now saying you're willing to learn and that you regret what you said. I don't want to claim that you're incapable of changing, because obviously people can change. But I also don't think it's reasonable to expect everyone here to immediately take that at face value, especially when the change in tone only came after it became apparent that what you said could affect your position on the team.
Right now, a lot of what you're saying seems focused on explaining why your words weren't as bad as they sounded, or reassuring everyone that this won't be a problem going forward, rather than fully owning what you actually said and why it was a problem, especially in a team like this.
And this isn't just a private friend group where everyone can agree to disagree and move on. We're a mod team for a VERY large community. We're somewhere between friends and coworkers at times, and that means there has to be a baseline level of trust that the people active in this community can treat its members fairly, including people whose identities they may not personally understand.
Nobody needs you to suddenly know everything or have the perfect terminology. But I do think there's a significant difference between not understanding something and actively holding prejudiced views while being unwilling to question them. If you genuinely want to learn, then I think the best way to demonstrate that is through what you do from here, not by trying to convince everyone immediately that this was just a mistake in wording. Own what you said without minimizing it, accept that people may have lost trust in you because of it, and understand that rebuilding that trust is going to take time.
Whether that ultimately means you remain on the team is a separate question. Being willing to improve matters, but it doesn't automatically erase what happened or mean there shouldn't be consequences for it. And the consequence right now is that a lot of people feel uncomfortable. (edited)
devilmine
ngl
I dont believe that
