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U literally went to Him and said "if ppl ask me to respect other opinions i wont"

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be so for fucking real for a second

stop damage controlling

Id recommend you to read what ausk said in their document

i do not feel comforable staying in a team where we'll gladly allow people like this to stay (edited)

I'm sorry but you need to be demoted or resign and I hope maintenance rethinks their decision

this is not a screw up

You literally said u lose ALL RESPECT for anyone asking u to respect it or ""shoving it down your throat""

Its just showing what you truly are

No honestly I'm glad you did this its not a screw up

or rather cut them off

"The LBGT community needs to stop feeding nonsense regarding pronouns" as an example

Everything else is not a lack of wording

admittedly I dont think any of the "i worded it wrong" works here 😭

this is not as much about it having to do anything with the game as it is maintaining a healthy environment both on the team and as a community figure

Especially the typical "They're shoving down our throats" argument, I really hate that

It would've been worse if I had tried to keep quiet about it.

Well id say no one would like to bring stuff like this up here

it makes it so much worse to me too

Yeah no I agree

I am appauled at how we will crack down on someone for making an accident following nsfw accounts (which was never intentional) BUT THIS GETS A "FINAL WARNING"

And it further makes me even more uncomfortable with how you dealt with Ausk being mentioned as transphobic here and trying to silence the convo as a whole and sheds a completely new light on it

I don't want to have anything to do with someone who has views like those in a community that has a large percentage of minorities from that group in it

This was never a good idea and after reflecting I shouldn't have spoken about it to anybody at all or at least I should've kept it in spaces where I already knew were safe and reliable. (such as the private gc made up of around 20-30 people who are around my age-range that also could care less about GD and it's community as their interested in other stuff) My actions of course will not be repeated and I fully understand a lot of you to no longer want to associate with me as this in itself is really soul crushing, concerning and as much as I'd like to be asked about stuff regarding this topic I'm worried that it would only add more fuel to the fire. ESPECIALLY with what else has been going on in modchat lately. This was never meant to lead to this, but at the end of the day this was the result. I'm sorry to [REDACTED] I'm sorry to everyone here in modchat. I'm very much upset at myself for coming off so strongly and how I handled things overall. I'm well aware this interaction with [REDACTED] will make or break friendships between others and will be worse than frowned upon. And as much as it seems like a lie, I did have better intentions at heart. This just so happened to not showcase that. However, if you do wish to talk with me about it privately. I'll do my very best to create a safe space if you'd like to educate me on it so I'm not misinformed/ can learn from you. Again, I deeply apologize to [REDACTED] and everyone else on the team.

After some time, and after he went to sleep because of time zones the next day after he had given himself some time to reflect on the nightmare that occurred. He rightfully un-added me and didn't want to discuss things further to which I fully respected. I never pursued him to go back on his decision either. Me bringing this up here is by no means to motivate him in re-adding me. Bringing this up here was solely to clear the air because I'm very well aware of what's been spread around about me and I'm fully prepared to accept the consequences from the mod team as a whole. Especially close friends of mine who are from the LGBTQ communities. This was the furthest thing from acceptable and even though I meant to articulate myself differently I simply didn't and there's nothing I can do now to fix that. And this is especially true here with my final apology to [REDACTED] as it only dug myself a bigger hole. I very much disregarded what I had said to [REDACTED] as the conversation continued and was confused on why [REDACTED] was upset as I thought I was having the same healthy conversation I've had with others, but that's simply not what happened. I spoke way differently and talked about other aspects that weren't even apart of my conversations with others nor (as stated before) agreed with over half the stuff I had listed originally. I also acknowledge that I shouldn't have been talking about it at all as being a community figure who speaks with many community members daily it is best to be diligent with what you say especially to the public:

As you can see here I came off very strong and lazily spoke on the topic without much thought on what my beliefs are, but mainly my thought process was "okay cool, this is a safe space". This was obviously not my brightest moment by any means and I completely acknowledge that what I stated here was very disheartening and malicious even though that wasn't my overall intent in the end. I very much articulated my beliefs incorrectly and again, half the stuff I had mentioned there I simply don't agree with myself. If you're wondering, I went to a couple GD friends of mine to discuss the topic because I was merely interested and wanted to be more of an ally/ learn more about my friends rather than drop my quote on quote "beliefs" immediately that automatically created an unsafe space for [REDACTED] to even begin to question, educate me, etc. [REDACTED] was absolutely in the right to feel uncomfortable and unsafe as from the screenshot I'll soon attach they spoke about how being apart of said communities was frowned upon within his environment and in general he felt very self-conscious in regards to that which I naively didn't even consider. Instead, I should've have started with "What it's like to live in your shoes?" and not make it about me right off the bat. This would've given [REDACTED] the chance to actually voice his thoughts, opinions, and from that alone I more than likely would've been educated on topics I wouldn't have even considered, but unfortunately I missed that mark of trying to learn more about my friends (in this instance [REDACTED] . Again, I could've worded things here better as well, but my main focus after learning about how sensitive of a topic this was for him I was more upset that I hurt my friend and prioritized my friend over the topic itself. I didn't mean for that last bit to come off as if I didn't care he was apart of that community in the end as that's obviously a big part of who he is

I'm very disappointed that this happened, but I'll do my best to articulate everything better this time as in this situation I had made myself out to be insanely homophobic and overall immature. In this discussion I'd like to formally apologize to not only [REDACTED] but to everyone here as I've very much painted myself in a terrible light even though I had the better intentions at heart. I was very ignorant and the way I went about this with [REDACTED] specifically I clearly wasn't paying attention to my phrasing and that I full acknowledge. Starting off with the context before when I had originally messaged [REDACTED] I was discussing various topics with a vast group of people from different communities. (none of which played GD) Many were religious, (in more ways than one) others were apart of the LGBTQ community, there were also furries there, people who are heavily interested in anime and we all were having far more healthier discussions than the way I spoke about the LGBTQ community and my beliefs towards it when conversing with [REDACTED] My remarks were far harsher, most of the stuff I had listed whilst explaining my beliefs to [REDACTED] weren't even my beliefs at all, and after further reflection this simply isn't a topic I should've discussed to begin with especially with another community figure. I know that now and this won't be repeated, period. Here's where my conversation starts off with [REDACTED]

It's 3:44 am and I'm still at work because I was typing this. I am so exhausted. But it's finally done.

That's so like Not what you should Do

yeah i think you're fine that makes a lot of sense why you handled it the way you described

doesn't feel like there's a gender behind dude

also i have used dude as a gender neutral term A LOT cuz it just feels like a word

i haven’t read into the full details of what happened ausk but i lowkey don’t hold anything against you personally, when i was religious i had friends who reached out to me about my transition assuming i was struggling cuz thats just how religions function, i dont think youre transphobic based on what you said and i think trying to paint you as transphobic is wrong, like it’s clear you’re trying to not offend people and my very limited talking with you (like i think i’ve sent 3 messages to you and they were yesterday) it’s clear you’re a good person

its almost impossible lol

i understand what youre saying now

It's just cooked if out of context

i was just reading the messages just sent here i didnt see the initial context

But not using that as justification of what I said. I said what I said and there is no way around it. It was still dismissive and inconsiderate

and do the same

ironically enough i literally just dmd a female friend and said bro in the message

i use 'dude' 'man' and 'bro' to literally anyone

its extremely hard to explain to people with a different mentality

like

i believe this is what happened

you can do transphobic actions without being transphobic as an individual (edited)

Im not justifying trans hate by religion

i mean ausk never shown hate towards trans people

Treating people equally regardless of their beliefs

yeah not a fan of that one

To be fair tho it is not what I was aware off

as i was thinking about it

Its funny cuz i also wanted to reach out later today prob about it

I also don’t know what benefit dunking on these two does here

Hearing the way things were stated, im appauled im sorry. Even if it was with good intention the shit said was just

Accidentally following accounts is understanding it

Monetizing requests is overstating it

Or not publicly transphobic

Mod accidentally being publicly transphobic and one monetizing requests vs someone having accidentally followed accs 😭

We dont know if there was behind the scene stuff tho

Everyone made a mistake and everything was handled a bit differently but also just with different punishments in a way

I want to mention that I have no hatred towards any of the 3 who have gotten into dramas; I just want there to be consistency and justice man, emphasis on consistency

Yea the Ausk one has kinda reached a temporary conclusion

Tbf the ausk thing was talked a lot about already

but we have 2 other elephants in the room

like of course we can talk about yrax stuff, not saying we can't at all

Okay thought so.

it really bothers me how every time i check here it's just yrax

there needs to be some consistency here with how we treat how mods may act in the public eye

it's all so tiring

i’ll check my stuff later today

ok makes sense

i think i might still follow efext

or should we check for problematic people too

is it only nsfw stuff that maintenance recommends us to unfollow

There is the possibility those accounts were followed pre mod too and were forgotten about

like keep in mind

especially with how unexcusably dogshit twitters performance is on both the app and browser

its a lot i agree

keep in mind, the accounts existed for like

and they took like 12 hours to comb out like 15-20% of it iirc from what they told me

5000 followed accs

and unfollowing stuff

she has been going though her social media followings because of this

Ive been talking to Supacluck about it

i mean ngl

its lowkey so forgettable its insane

i did too

keep in mind that the inactivity period was also before any drama previously even came out

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lowkey if u forgot the acc existed basically

i think thats how it establishes connection

do people you follow follow the others at the top

according to herself

yeah and that one is the only one she found too

I think maybe it was 4

but if you have none its recent

it prioritizes accounts you have connection with at the top (edited)

followers and following tab is the exact same for me on top to bottom

its like

so lol

but its the same anyways

wrong tab actually

i think it shows you your own follows chronologically

mine shows them chronologically

she definitely didnt follow me just today

this is not true

and i can only assume they were checked in that order

well thats the thing because on twitter when you view someones follows it shows them chronologically newest to oldest

thats something to consider too

bluesky was inactive for 6 months

cuz again

how many were on twitter

tbh though

its 6 accounts

6 total accounts that they have confirmed looked at

if ppl find it frustrating or annoying it is 100% fine to not engage in it

i see no issue

its a complicated situation which needs a lot of discussion to get to the bottom to

that a lot of ppl here would antivouch because of her reputation and other stuff they mentioned behind her back right after she got demoted

like she has always been SO careful of stuff

ngl

Knowing her probably the best from anyone here

i just heavily lean towards warning being 1000% the better play here personally

yeah it just is a fundamental different view

I honestly dont see the side of a demotion or a warning to be wrong in any way

it would just do no harm to reach out talk about stuff first when it comes to potential demotion reasons and lock them out of here

even if during that time u take permissions to read chat/send messages of the server

even outside of this i think its just a more respectful approach and would also prevent a lot of issues

Id really appreciate if stuff is being talked out first or communicated to people before falling a full decision too

To be completely honest though realistically outside of this

thats a name i forgot till now

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I checked mine and I followed like 2 groomers

idk what ausk did is also unmod worthy yet nothing will happen

in this matter too

and u can see it by how many ppl support her

even though she literally has been doing her best to fix her reputation

yeah

i still think it feels like that

I'll play devil's advocate for a moment but keep in mind I'm sure most people have had their social media accounts active for an incredibly long time

wouldve this issue ever cropped up again

in the real world if you make a big mistake you aren’t gonna get an “ah shucks, it happens! see you tomorrow” like people get fired over accidents

as again the account uploaded shit outside of it too

The tolerance being of a genuine possible mistake

why was it mentioned ontop of that

As Ryder said it is icing on the cake

like straight porn

so the rest isnt nsfw

the one u showed too was apparently the worst it got

It’s cub porn the allegations atp are like frosting. It definitely doesn’t help if you already been accused of messing with underage people to be also following cub

It wasn’t part of the decision

Yes I can

as they were fully debunked as a nothing burger

or is even inclusive

and should NOT been something that a decision is made off

did u check if those other accs change their content too over time?

that seems like an accident if anything

yeah

that she unfollowed

yrax told me herself she found 1 on twitter

but again

i would be more inclined towards it and be siding with this demotion if it was like 20 cub accs or some shit

but

1 would obv still be bad

a lot would make me like 10000% side with the demotion no questions asked

i’m sorry but if you randomly follow a lot of accounts posting nsfw cub you’re negligent and should be punished

id personally say that its not even interacting to just follow an account as it is to like or retweet shit

rest was suggestive stuff

Yrax told me she found acc on twitter that she thinks would fit into this

cus other mods were just warned for following that other stuff

is it prying too much to ask for a second example account for the cub stuff? because it’s being used as there being so many more examples of it and i’m just wondering how bad the other ones are and if there was a higher density of normal posts from them to reasonable follow for

iirc

the viprin retweet was a loli in a beach suit on a beach

this isnt being reduced to one acc

at all

u dont see that shit easily

if it was 1 i can give her a bit of a pass like jesus but like unfollow that i can see it being an accident you didn’t realize or know yet, but she had already seen multiple account she follow post that stuff and then anonymous mods found lots more

following multiple accounts sexually depicting child like characters is a big mistake (edited)

some accidents are too far right off the bat

like

again this completely rules out it not being an accident (edited)

she always said this

imma be real

which makes this even more irrational as not being an accident

even publicly before pretty sure

theyll unfollow immediately

Oh nah i wasnt tryna say that

which they are not

It sounds like u implied them being public about liking this stuff

Well thats what would happen theyd stop publicly following accounts like that

I feel like thats a whole seperate issue

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We shouldnt open up that can of worms

They are not into this

what wouldve happened in the future?

someone went to her, told her "yo dont follow that stuff, very bad"

like out of what 3k-5k

if you follow a lot of accounts this will happen

who also followed bad stuff without checking even if its not to the same degree

like other ppl

it is but again nothing a harsh warning wouldve fixed

no doubt

like

that would literally completely make it an accident

there are at least like 3-4 posts i see

^^^^^^

example

(no content)

I’m at work so I can’t rly get into things much atm

These are just not comparable

dont get me wrong

even tho that account in general was INSANELY cooked

There was normal art inbetween that doesnt even fall in that category of terrible shit

because bro what are u doing gtfo 😭

if u were found out to do that SOMEHOW

liking things is not even publicly viewable and would arguably be worse

like

I think thats a seperate thing

she wouldve gotten punished by getting a scare of it regardless with a harsh warning

its bad

with everything considered

a shit accident that is BEYOND reasonable to have happened

because again if she was told about it that entire issue wouldve been solved

exactly the issue

yes

In a hypothetical where the was communication and a simple warning to be more careful

I need to highlight again that not every single post was bad and there was completely fine shit inbetween

after one mistake over a year of being mod

"u are demoted no matter what u say"

like

I mean I take a large issue with it that there wasnt even an attempt at communication before doing a decision

and it was having left over follows of bad accounts by accident

😭

in her entire time being mod

AT ALL

i mean this was her first time fucking up as mod

https://vxtwitter.com/junkrattwo/status/2087173233816826276 (edited)

and the majority of ex mods and even public agrees with it

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but i still largely disagree with it being an immediate demotion as it was a pure accident from how shit works

dont disagree

thats still bad though

is that not what pauze was saying in modchat when she got demoted

Which is clearly bad even for the older ver of rule

Ppl could increase weight for bits from what I've seen

I mean there was the bit donations for giving other people codes to increase weight

And tri's bot still gives active people advantage

Well I guess then we hop to marbles

Shit

so it has to go i fear

regardless

No

That's a pretty difficult system on it's own admittedly. (edited)

and they can dm a mod about it

have a system that chat mods check viewhours (edited)

U can spend money to skip it like that technically

just to request level

and then spending money on that

tbh if u can get it through bits its better not to

i feel like a good chunk of people will stay during most of your stream and would become frustrated if their level hasnt been seen all this time

^

it does go against the current wording in the rules tho which is sends and money interacting in any way

idk its proooobably fine

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almost pay for points

i didnt realize u could like

but

when we were originally discussing this we didnt have a problem with it

most people get those just by watching

I really dont think channel point redemptions are that deep. you would have to spend a LOT in bits to get your level played with just bits im pretty sure

Like 600 or so

it's not like game-changing tho

It does not require money however from what it seems giving bits can increase the amount of points

Are we allowed to set channel points rewards for queue skip?

Also

Holy shit finally

Thank you

Yea I'd like that for sure

I can give it another run by when ur done if u want btw

I was going to yesterday, but wanted to apply Devilmine's suggestions

I am about to post it

not to ignore this above but @Ausk are you planning on releasing that document? or have you already and its just within your server or something? cuz scrolling twitter today everyone is calling you transphobic and idk if this is with any response youve put out yet or not

I lowkey wanna bring this up just so people are aware, YraX came out publicly with the demotion reason ( https://x.com/YraXxxxx/status/2087123289583853868 if anyone wants to read it) and generally owns up to it as a mistake and wanting to improve despite disagreeing with what actions were taken, it seems though like the reputation issues people mentioned really mostly exists in inner less involved circles and is largely exaggerated while also a lot of the public seems to generally think that the demotion is just not fair. That said, I'd highly urge anyone that has doubts about her and holds previous situations against her to just talk to her to build ur own opinion on matters like the previous things that were thrown around and communicate 😭

Yea

But I dont want to make this combative

At the same time I feel like its an important part of it because it directly affects how its being perceived

I am not sure whether I should include the manipulative stuff in my doc cos it might cause her more harm and also might look like im trying to just justify myself and say I wasn't wrong etc

i’m fine i found new friends, but yeahhh i’ve not had a soft spot for christianity ever since, cuz i notice a lot of people who are supposed to love thy neighbor tend to hate me

For the younger people I think social media gives some anonymity that makes people feel comfortable with just being hateful

Not to say I am not longer ignorant, I obviously have a lot to learn still 😭 (edited)

I'm afraid Clique might take advantage of my ignorance to dig for past instances of me saying stuff in a way that seems equally dismissive or inconsiderate, considering for how long she was planning this

its mature to understand and accept that even if things arent your intention it doesnt remove any weight from the damage it can end up doing, and i personally believe from how youve talked about this situation that you are doing your best to educate yourself from this and have the best interests of those around you in mind